Chris Detzel (00:01)
All right, welcome to another DFW running talk. I'm Chris Detzel and today's special guest is Caitlin Moore. Caitlin, how are you?
Kaitlin (00:06)
Hi, doing well, Chris. Thanks for having me.
Chris Detzel (00:11)
Yeah, we we did a little backstage thing, but one of the th things that was interesting because I've never just stopped anybody on the track and asked them if they wanted to be on the podcast. So I was running and saw you running really f some fast speed work or something like that. And I thought, She looks really fast. And so I was asking a couple of questions about, you know, what are you doing? What's your next marathon? And I was like, Ooh, I need her on the podcast. So thanks for coming on.
Kaitlin (00:27)
Yeah.
Kaitlin (00:38)
Yes, thanks for the invite. Happy to be here. It's awesome.
Chris Detzel (00:41)
Yeah, well let's let's get started. Let's tell me a little bit about yourself, you know, like you know, where'd you grow up? Well, where'd you go to high school, college, did you play sports, that kind of stuff. So
Kaitlin (00:48)
Yeah. yeah. So actually grew up in North Little Rock, Arkansas. and my parents are athletes and was always athletic, you know, growing up. My I played with my twin brother on soccer. I know a lot of your guests grew up playing soccer, so that was my background as well. played on the local youth teams. I was pretty much the only girl on my team.
Kaitlin (01:17)
for a long time because I played with my brother and his friends till I was about 12. and then I joined the Little Rock Club team. continued to play soccer. I tried softball a little bit, but I was horrible at it. I couldn't hit at all. I could run the bases but was a really, really bad at hitting. So I mainly did did soccer. and pretty much did that. I never did races or anything growing up. it was just always soccering, hanging out with friends.
Kaitlin (01:47)
Played in high school, junior high in high school, ran track in high school, but I I wasn't a huge fan of it. I would get way too nervous at races. I ran the yeah, the 400 and the 800. My coach wanted me to run the mile, but that was way too far and I never did. so stuck with kind of the middle distances.
Chris Detzel (01:59)
Really?
Kaitlin (02:14)
I loved going to track meets just so I could hang out with my friends and take half the day off of school and kind of travel. But the races themselves, I was so, so nervous. and w just wanted them to be over with. So but so yeah. So played I did cross country. No, not at all. Not at all. So team sports, playing soccer. I never was nervous. Always loved I just having the team
Chris Detzel (02:30)
So you were never nervous on the soccer games, by the way? Like you were never okay, just
Kaitlin (02:41)
around me and even if you would mess up, you had other opportunities to to kinda make a good play and get back in the game. so wasn't was never really nervous with that. I mean some of the big games definitely got more nervous or if you had to do a a shootout or a PK or something like that. but otherwise it wasn't near as nerve wracking as as track and being all by yourself out there on the track. so yeah, I mainly ran track just for pro for
Chris Detzel (03:05)
I see. That's interesting.
Kaitlin (03:07)
for for cross training purposes with the soccer team because our soccer coach made us. and that was the main thing. I did cross country again, it was more with the team we would the soccer team would run with the cross country team. I did one cross country meet and went out way too fast and died and was walking at the end and one of my upperclassmen had to come and encourage me to to finish. And I was like, that's I'm not doing that again.
Chris Detzel (03:12)
Yeah.
Chris Detzel (03:34)
I have to have to stop you a little bit is I remember one time I was I ran cross country in high school and one of the races was the first race back. I think it was this I don't know if I was a junior or something, but senior, who knows. But so my first race back, I st I just start as fast as I can and I'm beating everybody for the first, I don't know, eight hundred. I mean I've way far. My coach's like, yeah.
Kaitlin (03:35)
That's not for me. That's way too far. Yeah. So my track. Yeah.
Kaitlin (03:59)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah.
Chris Detzel (04:03)
Then I just stopped and died on and just got on the ground and he's like, What happened? I was like, I don't know, just my chest started hurting and really I just Yeah. I just ran too fast for the eight hundred and I couldn't go anymore. So anyways, go ahead. So
Kaitlin (04:07)
Mm-hmm.
Kaitlin (04:10)
Yeah, I think I had a side stitch and everything was hurting. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that yeah. So that was pretty much the extent of my distance running in high school. Like I said, I it it was fun, but that was not what I wanted to do. I wanted to play soccer. and so kept playing club and then I ended up playing in college at Belmont University in Nashville, Tennessee.
Chris Detzel (04:30)
Yeah. Well.
Chris Detzel (04:37)
Well.
Kaitlin (04:38)
Yeah, so it's it's a division one program, but it's smaller school, which was great because they it's about a little under 10,000, I think, is the student population. And it was great because they do not have a football team. So all the focus in the fall were on the soccer teams, the men and the women's soccer teams. And so it was great as far as crowd support and everybody just was really behind the soccer teams. And so that was that was fun, a fun experience. And Nashville's a great town.
Chris Detzel (04:52)
Yeah.
Kaitlin (05:07)
Love that city. but by my senior year I was getting pretty burnt out. it was hard being a student athlete. I was taking a lot of science classes and having to make up lab times when we were traveling in the fall. And so by the time my senior year ended, I was ready to be done, you know, and ready to take a break and step away from that kind of training.
Chris Detzel (05:10)
That's fine.
Chris Detzel (05:27)
Yeah.
Kaitlin (05:32)
Thankfully, I I really didn't have any major injuries in college. I had an ankle sprain my sophomore year preseason, but otherwise got through pretty unscathed. I know we had a lot of girls tear ACLs, MCLs, you know, just all those kinds of injuries. So I was really thankful to make it through without any, you know, career stopping injuries. So that was that was good. I started working at Vanderbilt University after school. I met my husband. We moved to Dallas around
Chris Detzel (05:49)
Yeah.
Chris Detzel (06:00)
No.
Kaitlin (06:02)
2011, he was started residency at UT Southwestern and I started PA school at that time. So mid-20s were mostly school the whole time. just studying a whole lot. and I would run, but it was more with one of my my best girlfriends who I still run with some today. and we mainly ran just to stay in shape. we would do a couple half marathons, we did a couple half marathons, but we would choose places we wanted to visit.
Chris Detzel (06:13)
Yeah.
Kaitlin (06:30)
It wasn't really a structured training program at all. It just get out and we we would run kind of in between being pregnant and having babies in between that those time periods. She has three kids too. I had mine kind of back to back to back. and so yeah, we'd run some, but nothing nothing structured. We ran one half marathon in Napa, Napa, California. Yeah, well, well, it was a trail race and it was a
Chris Detzel (06:53)
wow, that's that'd be fun.
Chris Detzel (06:57)
No, maybe not.
Kaitlin (07:00)
We didn't realize that it was basically up a mountain. And the way that it was structured is you did two loops for the half marathon, four loops for the full. After the first loop, so we made it just half of the half marathon. We both got down to the bottom and we were like, I think we're done. And we I had fallen, she had an ice pack on, I had bandages, and then we told our husbands, we're like, Let's just go to the wineries and just call it a day and
Chris Detzel (07:17)
Exactly. Well
Chris Detzel (07:25)
Yeah, let's go get get some drinks.
Kaitlin (07:28)
Yeah, and that that was that was yeah, that was one of our so that was the seriousness of my running at that point was mainly to stay in shape. I like to run and be outside for sure, but it was nothing nothing structured. and definitely having three kids kind of back to back to back. didn't have a lot of time or energy for sure. so I really didn't get into the running that I do now until the pandemic, actually. so
Chris Detzel (07:31)
I love it.
Kaitlin (07:57)
Twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, my youngest, who's six now, was one years old. I it the world kind of shut down in twenty twenty. So none of the soccer leagues were going. I'd play indoor women's soccer leagues and things like that. Everything shut down. or they had a lot of restrictions. Yeah, I did. I did kind of in again, in between pregnancies and babies, I would play with my friends and there's a so many good
Chris Detzel (08:13)
Okay. So you still played soccer then, so that's interesting.
Kaitlin (08:24)
leagues in Dallas, and so many women's leagues that you can play. And so yeah, I would I would do that either indoor, outdoor, just kind of a mix, whatever I had time to do. but like I said, that all kind of stopped for a little while. And that's when I decided that I was gonna start running more and training more, and that I wanted to do a marathon was around that time period. So that's how it
Chris Detzel (08:27)
Yeah.
Chris Detzel (08:51)
Around twenty twenty one, twenty two two or
Kaitlin (08:52)
It was twenty twenty one, yeah. So I that summer, so w I guess of twenty twenty one, I ran a few I I went out to some of the White Rock co op runs. a few of great. They're all so nice. but I could only go because of again kids and work and everything and schedules. I I I couldn't find a consistent group that I was really running with. It was mostly by myself. And so I decided that summer that I wanted to run the Dallas Marathon.
Kaitlin (09:20)
So that was gonna be my first marathon was December of or I guess yeah, December of twenty twenty one. My goal was to try to run a Boston qualifier. and so yes, so I and I had like I said, I'd been running some and so I I knew it was funny because I I didn't have any training plan really. I knew I needed to build up my miles, but I pretty much ran I knew that for my qualifying time, I think at that time I was 31.
Chris Detzel (09:32)
First.
Kaitlin (09:50)
And my qualifying time for Boston would have been a 335 at that point. I know it I think it's changed now. and I knew I needed to be under that. So I kind of calculated what I had to run to be, you know, sub three thirty, I had to run about an eight minute pace. And I ran every training run eight minute pace. Every single run. And I did I I mean, I didn't know, you know, and I just built it up and I would do my long runs on the weekends, do some shorter runs, but I wasn't doing any tempo or track or
Chris Detzel (10:05)
Yeah.
Chris Detzel (10:13)
Yeah.
Kaitlin (10:20)
None of that stuff. Yeah. Just kind of building up and begging people to run with me because I was so bored and lonely. And yeah, and some of those I remember some of those 20 plus miles, I built it up to 23 miles. That was my longest long run. So I definitely built up the miles and I basically said, Okay, if I can run 23 miles at an eight minute pace, I can do it. You know, so that in my head I was like, if I can do it in practice, because that's kinda how it was. And so like if you do it practice.
Chris Detzel (10:20)
Yeah, I'm just
Chris Detzel (10:28)
Yeah, exactly.
Chris Detzel (10:36)
Okay.
Chris Detzel (10:46)
Yeah.
Kaitlin (10:49)
This is the game, you know. And so that's kind of how my training was is if I can do it in practice, then I should be good, you know, on on the r on on the race day. and so I would beg my friends, like I would have a few girlfriends that I would run six miles with and then run to the other house and run six more miles and then run to the other house just to have people to run, to have people to run with to finish those long runs. 'cause I was getting just lonely and b and
Chris Detzel (10:50)
Yeah.
Chris Detzel (10:56)
Good logic.
Chris Detzel (11:09)
Don't worry.
Chris Detzel (11:12)
man.
Kaitlin (11:18)
bored and trying to get it done. so yeah, so that was the Yeah.
Chris Detzel (11:21)
So quickly, how many miles were you running like at your kind of peak or whatever that was? 'Cause you didn't know.
Kaitlin (11:28)
Yeah, yeah, I think I I probably was in the thirty to forty range, I would say. which I had never run that much before. So it was definitely a build-up, you know, for me. but again, I didn't really have too much of a plan at that at that point, which is trying to trying to do everything at the same pace, which I later learned was not the way to do things. But that's kind of how I I know, I know. So
Chris Detzel (11:31)
No week.
Chris Detzel (11:34)
Okay. Okay.
Chris Detzel (11:53)
You have to learn somehow, right?
Kaitlin (11:56)
I ran that December twenty twenty one and I got with thankfully there was a pacing group for the three thirty. I decided I was gonna get with the pacing group, get behind the pacing group, tuck in and just go as long as I could. felt great, it was a great day. ended up running a three twenty seven that day. So so so qualified. So I was pretty pumped. I lost like three toenails, which still happens like every race.
Chris Detzel (12:01)
Yeah.
Chris Detzel (12:17)
Dang, that's awesome.
Kaitlin (12:25)
My kids are so disgusted by my toenails, but just part of it now. But yeah, so my dad was at the finish line, it was super special, it was it was awesome. Kids kids were out there on the course, my husband was out there so supportive. So I did that. So then then at that point I was like, you know, if I'm gonna keep going and train for Boston, I've gotta get with the group. I've gotta figure this out. I don't wanna do this by myself. and I can't, and I I wanted some some help.
Chris Detzel (12:29)
Ha ha.
Chris Detzel (12:38)
Mm.
Chris Detzel (12:47)
Yeah.
Kaitlin (12:55)
So I joined Train Pegasus at that point, mainly because they they I definitely knew that they had great runners, fast runners, but they ran at five fifteen in the morning and that was what I had to do. I needed to find an early group so I could get my kids to school, go to work. and so that that fit the bill and met Fonz and Jill, so many great runners, just and then I just absorbed so much, you know, and Dan Club, you've got to interview him.
Chris Detzel (13:12)
Yeah.
Kaitlin (13:25)
Such a great master's runner. I would love to hear more of his story. Yeah, he's great. He's so great. Yeah, he's I will. I mean, he he's like aging in reverse. I don't know. He's gets faster every year. It's it's incredible. but he you know, I l I Yeah. yeah. yeah. Well I'll I'll try. he's just a well Yeah, go ahead. did you have a question? Sorry. yeah.
Chris Detzel (13:26)
I've tried. He said no. Basically. You have to push him a little bit.
Chris Detzel (13:39)
I know. Trust me, I've talked to him several times and asked him a couple of times. But yeah, anyways. Yeah, why not?
Chris Detzel (13:51)
No no no, yeah, yeah. I think that he's a wealth of knowledge, like you said, and I think that I would love to have him on. So if he listens to these, I'm not sure, but certainly push him a little bit, it'd be great.
Kaitlin (14:01)
Yeah, sure. No, yeah. And but yeah, Jill, Fonz, Dan, I mean, all of them, I met so many amazing runners so quickly and just learned so much in that year of training and just the consistency. And that's when we started doing some track workouts and some tempo. I learned that you needed to change out your shoes so the foam would reset. You know, just things, you know, anytime I ran with Dan, he would just tell me different things and about nutrition.
Chris Detzel (14:24)
Yeah.
Kaitlin (14:29)
How to taper the right way, all these kind of things. And so I just absorbed that and really met so many great people in the community, people that I'm st I still run with now that are some of my absolute best friends. just it such a, and I know a lot of people have talked about that on your show too, about the community and how important that is and these relationships that you form so much outside of running and how our families become friends, or husbands, or kids. and that's been the coolest.
Chris Detzel (14:50)
Yeah.
Kaitlin (14:58)
Coolest thing, especially I don't have family directly in Dallas. And so some of these people have become like my emergency contacts for my kids' schools. And you know, so it's it's really incredible. so so the the group that I run with the most now are people that live within probably a two mile radius. I live in Lakewood, Lake Highlands. Jodi Jordan, I you've had she's one of my great friends, an incredible triathlete runner. I mean, just in all of her.
Chris Detzel (15:08)
Like who? I'm interested.
Chris Detzel (15:18)
Yep.
Kaitlin (15:26)
Landon, Matt Campbell, our kids go to school together, play sports together, Matt Barron. there's just Jess D's is amazing. There's just so many of us that and even more slots are so many people in the community that we run with now and like I said, hang out outside of outside of running and have our kids and things together outside of running. So it's really, really cool. So I met them kind of during that that year.
Chris Detzel (15:39)
Yeah.
Kaitlin (15:53)
And just being consistent with the training and building up miles. So the next race was Houston, I guess in twenty twenty two, the following year. and so I didn't run a marathon for a year. just really training and trying to build up miles and learn as much as I could from from the group. And ended up running a three eight in Houston and thought that the second one, second one, and so
Chris Detzel (16:18)
Was your second marathon?
Chris Detzel (16:21)
Tim.
Kaitlin (16:22)
So Boston was gonna be the falling spring. And so then I thought, this is amazing. Like it's only sky's the limit. Like it's gonna get better and better and PR every race and all stuff. Well then the injuries started. And I think my story kind of becomes you know, of progress and then injury and then progress and then injury. And I think that's something that I've been working on and and
Chris Detzel (16:25)
Yeah.
Chris Detzel (16:31)
Guys love it.
Chris Detzel (16:43)
Mm-hmm. A lot of people.
Kaitlin (16:47)
you know, have have had some struggles with and had to learn kind of how to to build back after that. But yeah, so kind of had a Yeah. Yeah.
Chris Detzel (16:54)
Let's let's talk about that, Caitlin, as your kind of your first injury. Like when did that happen and and what did you do?
Kaitlin (17:02)
Yeah. So I basically I was so pumped that I'd found this running community, gotten consistent with training, was making great progress, doing all the things that you're supposed to do, training for marathon, had a great PR, dropped a lot of time, you know, just by being consistent and following the plans and with the group, you know, being pushed. But I definitely built my miles up too fast. and that was my own doing. I I loved to run. I was excited, I was you know, pumped.
Kaitlin (17:30)
You know, if somebody else was running a little bit further, I just hang on just because I was there. and I paid for it. I tore my IT van at my hip insertion. Yeah, I tore. So that was between Houston and Boston. And I didn't really know what was going on. And it's funny, I looking back at it, not it's funny now, but at the time I was in a lot I was just in pain all the time.
Chris Detzel (17:35)
Yeah.
Chris Detzel (17:40)
tore it.
Kaitlin (17:57)
And in my head, I was like, this is just the life of a marathoner. Your body just hurts all the time, but it was always my hip. And I kept talking to my, you know, friends and they were like, Yeah, I don't I don't know. What's good, you know, you can definitely feel bad after a workout, but you're kind of complaining of this all like all the time. and so then I would back off my workouts a little bit or drop down my miles or something. But again, I was training for my first boss and so I wanted to do that so bad with the group.
Chris Detzel (18:15)
Yeah.
Chris Detzel (18:26)
Yeah.
Kaitlin (18:26)
My parents came up, husband was there, you know, just was excited about it. But I remember doing the shakeout run with Jill and Von, you know, the Pegasus group the day before and getting back to the my hotel and I was in tears and I thought there's no way I can run twenty-six point two miles tomorrow. my hip hurt and I was really worried about it, but I took a bunch of ibuprofen and iced it.
Chris Detzel (18:54)
no.
Kaitlin (18:54)
And did I I ran that race on pure adrenaline. and it was it was amazing, but it hurt really bad. And so then finished the race, and then I said, Okay, I'm really gonna take time off now. Like I finished my race, I did what I was gonna do, I'm gonna take time. Well, it still wasn't getting better. And I ended up getting an MRI. my husband's a radiologist, so he was actually in the room when they were reading the report.
Kaitlin (19:20)
And before I even came out of the scanner, he was like, you tore it. You tore it. That's why you can't, you know, can't walk very well. so then that was really a I mean, I I had to stop. Like I was in pain walking the dog around the block. I had to really stop. And that was just devastating to me because I had this community and w gotten into this rhythm and was doing so well. And then I could not even walk my dog without pain.
Chris Detzel (19:27)
Yeah.
Kaitlin (19:48)
So of course I had to like really, really, really take a step back and do physical therapy and all the things. and it was months of recovery there and a lot of strength training, a lot of physical therapy that I still do now. Like I still have hip circuits that I do now, because that's a an area that can definitely be re-injured again. And so that kind of put it in perspective to me that there has to be a method. You have to build up slowly, you have to take time when you need it.
Chris Detzel (20:05)
Yeah.
Kaitlin (20:17)
You have to do your physical therapy. I mean, I used to just like get up and run out and go. And now I have very dedicated stretching bands, workout. I mean, like, and you have to do that for injury prevention. And as I've gotten older, and there's been a few other injuries since then, that I've had to really focus on that and make that part of the routine. And I think that's hard for all of us that are
Chris Detzel (20:21)
Mm-hmm.
Chris Detzel (20:24)
That's good.
Kaitlin (20:43)
Trying to run and and work and kids and life and to ha to it's like you're already doing all this running and now you're supposed to do strength training and PT and all this stuff. It's like when is there when is there you gotta sleep at some point. so you know, kinda make
Chris Detzel (20:52)
I know.
Chris Detzel (20:57)
You have to run less and and add in some of those things that you have to do, right? Like it's just did you did you have to have surgery or anything like that, or was it just pure p okay, that's good.
Kaitlin (21:01)
Yeah.
Kaitlin (21:07)
I did not, thankfully I did not. I did not. It was just I could not do I mean it had to repair and it took months to do that and I really had to step back and then when I came back, it was a very slow building back up situation for sure.
Chris Detzel (21:24)
Did you have a hard time going back to the community or was that pretty easy to get back in?
Kaitlin (21:27)
No, I mean I of course I was like, just leave me on the text thread so I can see what's going on, so I can still be or I would I would meet for coffee at the end of their run, you know, to stay to stay with it. And that's how a lot of us do. we have, you know, we have a friend that's, you know, pregnant now, so she'll come meet us for runs, or if someone's injured, we'll come and meet for that coffee just to kind of stay stay connected. But you do feel kind of disconnected for a little bit. And I think I've gotten better at handling that too, after that first one.
Chris Detzel (21:32)
Yeah.
Chris Detzel (21:37)
I love it. That's great. Yeah. Yeah.
Chris Detzel (21:52)
Sure.
Kaitlin (21:56)
'Cause you know, you you want to be out there and you see people running and doing these races in the community and but just knowing that you will get back. You will get back there. You just have to take the time to let your body recover and heal the way it's supposed to, you know. So and that's been a lesson I've had to learn and Matt's had to help me with that for sure. Yes. Yes. Yeah.
Chris Detzel (22:11)
Yeah, quickly.
Chris Detzel (22:17)
So Matt's your coach, Matt Campbell, is that right? Yeah, just we didn't establish that yet, but I knew that. So let's I'm just a little bit before we get back into the journey, your journey. How does, you know, you you have a husband that, you know, works a lot, I'm sure, and you have three kids. How do you guys manage that? And does he work out and that kind of stuff? And you know, how does that all work? I always like to bring that up because a lot of people struggle with that, you know.
Kaitlin (22:24)
Sorry.
Kaitlin (22:34)
Mm.
Kaitlin (22:40)
Yeah, it's
Kaitlin (22:45)
Absolutely. And it's so important. My husband's great. Will, he is so supportive. 'cause I I do a thankfully I do a lot of my runnings early in the mornings, so they're asleep. so that's helpful. But definitely my long runs on the weekends have to tag team, or if I do races. so yeah, he's super supportive. my kids are Ethan is 10, June is eight, and Abigail is six. And so they're all involved in sports and all the extracurricular activities and
Chris Detzel (23:12)
well.
Kaitlin (23:13)
so it's a busy time but a super fun age. I coach my youngest soccer teams. I've coached all of their soccer teams before they so fun. It's so fun. But I coach the littles, like the kinder, the first grade. And then when they stop listening to me, I move them on to the the the club the club teams. But so so much fun with that. So yeah, I've definitely had to move my long runs or my races around soccer.
Chris Detzel (23:20)
And you're a coach. Jeez.
Chris Detzel (23:27)
Yeah.
Kaitlin (23:40)
schedules around the family schedules for sure and just kind of be flexible with that and definitely my group that I run with the most now that's another thing that's just they all have kids, jobs, other things outside of running. And so we know that even though yes, running and training is very important, there's other other things, you know, and there's times that we text each other and say, hey, I've got a a ball game on Saturday morning. Can anybody do long run Sunday or Friday morning? Whatever. And so that
Chris Detzel (23:59)
Yeah, yeah.
Kaitlin (24:09)
having that flexibility. my husband's so great. He goes to the races with me and he'll give me my extra water bottles at different stops and he kind of has fun planning out his route. you know, in New Done New York and Boston and we did Berlin this last year. So that was really fun. And he's got to meet a lot of other spouses and so it's that's been a real fun thing. He doesn't run he'll run a little bit and he bikes some too and works out.
Chris Detzel (24:18)
I like it.
Chris Detzel (24:21)
Yeah.
Chris Detzel (24:31)
It's just
Kaitlin (24:38)
and we just stay active, but he definitely doesn't run like I do. So that might
Chris Detzel (24:43)
What do you think about having like a a podcast with the spouses? You know, like let's talk about, you know, being a running spouse, you know? How fun that'd be. Yeah.
Kaitlin (24:49)
Hmm.
Kaitlin (24:53)
I mean, it's a lot for them. I yeah. We talk about that and how much of a sacrifice it it is for sure. sometime. Like I said, I think us going early, first of all for the heat. I mean, you can't run in the sun in the summer. So it's that and we become very, very early people. my husband's a radiologist and he works ev s like afternoon evening shifts. And so when he's on, we're kind of
Kaitlin (25:19)
We miss each other for a little bit 'cause I get up so early and he's sleeping in. but then thankfully I'll have weeks off and so then we can, you know, catch up and and spend more time together. But yeah, you gotta have a s it's a support system and my kids are so fun. My son, Ethan, he's run a five K with me this year and then he ran the set he was at the seventeen seventy six mile. He ran the mile. So and I think it's fun because when he runs these, I think he sees
Chris Detzel (25:28)
Yeah.
Chris Detzel (25:38)
Nice.
Chris Detzel (25:41)
Yeah.
Kaitlin (25:47)
kind of what we do and and how we train and and you know, just even the speed of some people and it just kind of blows his mind, you know, when he's doing it too. So so that's been really, really fun to run with my kids and they love going to the the races and and stuff too. So it's a lot of fun. Yep.
Chris Detzel (26:05)
I love that. And I think that, you know, you being kind of the role model of one soccer. I mean, all your kids are in soccer, so that's pretty cool. and then two is just, you know, even if they're not doing a ton, you know, the the way I see it is you're building their future, you know, because at 25 they might be like, Man, I'm either gaining some weight or I'm doing this, but I know what to go do. You know, my mom was a runner, so you know, maybe I'll try that or something like that, you know, down the road. Just I and I think that.
Kaitlin (26:12)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Kaitlin (26:31)
Yeah. Yeah.
Chris Detzel (26:34)
You know, you're just kind of gotta be that influence, and I think you are, and I love that. you know, that's the way I see it for my son. And and I I think that, you know, he does not a runner, he's a bit band person, you know, he loves band, he's there for eight hours a day, Monday through Friday, and you know, it's it's insane. But you know, if if he decides that he wants to run, he knows what to do, because I make him run every time we have a five K on the weekend, even if he's not in shape, that's you can walk it, you know. I don't really care. You know, you're fifteen now, dude.
Kaitlin (26:38)
Mm-hmm.
Kaitlin (26:49)
Wow. Yeah.
Kaitlin (26:59)
Yeah.
Chris Detzel (27:03)
But you're going. You know, like
Kaitlin (27:03)
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. No, I think just yeah. And my parents were like that for me. like I said, they they were athletes as well. My mom coached my soccer teams. and so I think having just being outside, being active, that was something we always always were doing, playing with my soccer with my brothers and things like that. And I I I love that with my kids. I love that they love soccer. Of course, if they chose something else, that's totally fine. But I I love that they
Chris Detzel (27:13)
Yeah. That's cool.
Chris Detzel (27:31)
Yeah.
Kaitlin (27:32)
Love it and it's so fun. So fun watching them play and being involved in that. That's been the best, the best thing. It's been really cool to do. So that's fun. Yep. Mm-hmm.
Chris Detzel (27:40)
I love that. That's awesome. so you get injured and you run Boston anyway, so a few months you're injured, then what happened after that?
Kaitlin (27:48)
Yeah. So then I ran took a lot of time off, of course, to recover from the hip. I had qualified for New York that next fall. and so I really wanted to again run that race. And that whole goal for that race was definitely not a PR, nothing like that. I just wanted to run it without pain. That was my goal. So I got with the 320 pacing group and said, I'm just gonna zone out, enjoy the crowd, and
Chris Detzel (28:06)
Get done. Yeah.
Kaitlin (28:16)
try to run and I was so pumped after that race because I didn't have pain. I finished it with the group. New York is incredible. I've never seen crowds like that. It's so fun, so fun. you know, and so that was a great experience. And I was just happy to feel like I was back, you know, that my hip was better, that I had recovered from this, and that then I wanted to to kind of push it again, you know, and s but very
Chris Detzel (28:22)
Nice.
Chris Detzel (28:36)
Yeah.
Kaitlin (28:44)
methodically and was running Matt who I was already running with and already good friends with and running several times a week with was became my you know was my coach at that point and would kind of pair us with runners that we could do training sessions together and some of these workouts together that were running training for the same races. I think that's really cool if you have a group that are kind of on the same block or the same schedule. and so did that and I'm trying to think that would have been
Kaitlin (29:14)
I have to remember my dates. yeah, so then Chicago was fall of 2024. And so I had that summer to really train for it very like methodically, build up miles. I had no injuries that summer, so was good. ran Chicago and of course coming out of Texas heat, even 60 degrees, felt amazing. so it was a great day. And ran a 301.
Kaitlin (29:42)
my goal was to break my goal was to break three hours at some point. I didn't think it was gonna be that race because I wasn't quite there, but that race gave me the confidence to do it. And I told Matt after that race, I can do this. I want another one. I can break it. And so I had registered for Houston that that next, I guess, January, which Houston love that race, such a great race, usually usually good weather, flat race, well attended, just a well run race.
Chris Detzel (29:43)
Thing.
Chris Detzel (29:53)
Yeah.
Chris Detzel (30:06)
It is.
Kaitlin (30:11)
so ran Houston and it was, I guess, 2025, so not too long ago, and it was freezing cold, and I love the cold to run in. I don't want to live in the cold, but I love running in the cold and had a great day. Went went out with the sub three group and held on and ran a two fifty seven that race. Yeah. So that was my first that was my first break three race. Yeah. So I was super super pumped again about that.
Chris Detzel (30:18)
Yeah.
Chris Detzel (30:21)
Remember.
Chris Detzel (30:30)
you did? Okay. All right. So you hit under three.
Chris Detzel (30:35)
Wow. That's great.
Kaitlin (30:40)
had it was just a great day, was very excited. So again, I was kind of like, great, here we go. I'm gonna like do all this stuff. And then in the in the April, I guess that spring, so last spring, was do you know, I was thinking, okay, I really want to focus on speed, you know, and trying to get my halftime faster and kind of do a more of a speed session. Was out at the track at Germany, in Highland Park, and it was a little rainy and I was doing some stride
Kaitlin (31:10)
work and I just misstepped weirdly and I tore my hamstring. and it was one of those, it was one of those like you you grab your hamstring and fall over kind of situation. My buddy Eric had to drive me back to my car because I couldn't walk. and it was torn. Eric Myrie, yeah. Or Marie. I'm sorry. I Myrie, it's Marie. Sorry, Eric Marie. yeah, and he he runs with train pegasist to you. Great, great guy.
Chris Detzel (31:14)
Mm.
Chris Detzel (31:16)
my god.
Chris Detzel (31:20)
Cheese.
Chris Detzel (31:23)
yeah.
Chris Detzel (31:29)
All right.
Chris Detzel (31:32)
Okay. All right.
Kaitlin (31:39)
and so he had to give me a ride back to my car that day. And it was kind of kind of back to square one again. I was like, here I go, you know, having a great cycle and then get injured again. But I kinda you know, and but I knew, you know, I had to go through I went through physical therapy, you know, kind of the same thing. but this one wasn't an overuse injury. It was it's like I knew exactly when it happened. I mean, I was fatigued and that contributed to it. But I guess it was I
Chris Detzel (32:03)
Yeah. Yeah, sure.
Kaitlin (32:08)
I guess I felt like it had a predictable healing pattern as long as I did what my physical therapist told me to do. And but that again was kind of took me out for that summer. which apparently that summer I guess Yeah, it was about yeah. It was about three months, or four months actually, probably all t altogether. But it was the summer that had like, I guess, forty days of a hundred degree pe or something. I don't know. It was really
Chris Detzel (32:20)
But just for the summer, like three months? I mean, was that just the okay.
Chris Detzel (32:35)
Yeah. So it's probably a good time to miss
Kaitlin (32:37)
You know, yeah, if you're gonna be out, maybe the summer is not too bad, but well, I guess this last summer wasn't too bad, but yeah, but it's still kind of having to recover from that. so this was last this was last summer. So I I had qualified for or had gotten into Berlin marathon last September. And again, really wanted to run that race. Wanted to it was our 15-year wedding anniversary, so we were making a trip out of it.
Chris Detzel (32:42)
Yeah.
Kaitlin (33:05)
So first time traveling for a while without my my parents were so nice and keeping the kids. so definitely gonna go. Even if I had to walk it, I was gonna run that that race. but thankfully healed well and was able to put together a decent training block. not for a PR, but definitely to run, you know, a good race. so this was last fall. So ran Berlin and it was, I think, the hottest Berlin on record. but again.
Chris Detzel (33:06)
But.
Chris Detzel (33:11)
Ha ha.
Chris Detzel (33:15)
Yep.
Chris Detzel (33:28)
Yeah.
Chris Detzel (33:33)
Like of course.
Kaitlin (33:35)
Coming out of, you know, DFW summers training, I was well you know, I didn't die. So that was kind of the goal is I I ran and again I was happy that my hamstring behaved, felt pretty good. I mean hot of course after the race, but I was very happy with again being able to do it without being in pain and recovering well from that. So that was that was Berlin. So that was September last year.
Kaitlin (34:04)
Got home the week after Berlin. You know, I was still c recovering, but I was playing pickleball of all things. And it was I know, you know where this is going. it was a windy day and I I know. And so it was a windy day and I guess I kind of misstepped, you know, trying to get the ball and I tore my calf. Just pop. And had to crawl off the court. It was embarrassing.
Chris Detzel (34:11)
no.
Chris Detzel (34:15)
man. A lot of people get injured from
Chris Detzel (34:28)
damn.
Kaitlin (34:33)
had to call Matt and tell him that I tore my gaffling pickleball. and so then I at that point I was like, well, I probably I had registered for CIM last December and there was a lot a big group, a lot of sloths, a lot of people running that race. And I d I I definitely Yeah. yeah. And they all did amazing. They did so amazing. Jennifer Pope, Maddie, Eric, all those guys. Aaron, they did it's just incredible, incredible.
Chris Detzel (34:46)
Yeah.
Chris Detzel (34:49)
Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I remember I interviewed a bunch of them.
Chris Detzel (34:56)
Yeah, so good.
Chris Detzel (35:00)
yeah.
Kaitlin (35:03)
So I did not run CIM. I was recovering from the calf injury at that point. so kind of again the same thing had to had to get back into it. So now I'm doing physical therapy on my hip, my hamstring, and my calf. every day. And so luckily that was a shorter recovery. It it was just a couple months that I had to rehab that and then kind of I did I know you've got a couple muscles
Chris Detzel (35:18)
That's true.
Chris Detzel (35:26)
You said you tore it? 'Cause tearing seems just insane. Wow.
Kaitlin (35:32)
down there and it was my gas rock of my right. I mean it bruised. It was no, it was tore. But thankfully again kind of followed the normal pattern as long as I behaved and did my rehab and and took the time. so kind of rehabbed from that. What? I know, I know. and so rehabbed that but that was just a freak injury. It wasn't a running related injury. It was just
Chris Detzel (35:49)
You're a pro at this point. Said you're a pro at this point.
Chris Detzel (35:59)
Yeah.
Kaitlin (36:01)
Some but this is what happens when you get older. You just step weird and and then things tear, you know. And so did that and so recovered from that last fall. So I didn't run a CIM or you know, winter marathon, but I did train for the half and I did the Austin Spurs half marathon in February, this past February. and I PR'd that one. So I was pretty pumped about that. I ran a 121
Chris Detzel (36:20)
Okay.
Chris Detzel (36:27)
Would you run for the house?
Kaitlin (36:31)
Barely. I was right under one twenty two. But one twenty one. and that was my fastest half that I had done by several minutes. it's a little bit of a you know, it's it's got it's a rolling, but it's a point to point. The downhill definitely helps you for sure. there's some sneaky hills at the end, but you can run a fast race there. So that was that was fun. Calf felt great. Again, I was happy about that. so that was the long the last race that I did like long.
Chris Detzel (36:31)
No wow.
Chris Detzel (36:34)
That's great.
Chris Detzel (36:55)
That's good.
Kaitlin (37:00)
distance was the half back in February. Yeah. Mm-hmm. So
Chris Detzel (37:00)
Okay.
Chris Detzel (37:03)
Yeah, 'cause whenever we were at the track you were telling me that you're running some five K's this summer and things like that. Have you done some of those or already or?
Kaitlin (37:08)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, so I did a f yes, I I did three. I did the I guess in March, the St. Patrick's Day of Five K super fun. Dash down Greenville. That was really fun. But there's a hill in that that catches you at the end. So I definitely did not negative split. It was a horrible positive split. But it was but it was a good f it was fun. It was f fun five K. Yeah. No, I know, I know. And I tend to go out way too fast and
Chris Detzel (37:29)
Well, five Ks are hard.
Kaitlin (37:38)
you know, die. So I'm working working on this. did the Cinco Decays that Matt with Medium Running put on, which was a fun event. There's been a lot of fun track events that they've done. and I hope they continue to do that because it's been really fun to do those. did the Velvet Hammer 5K down in the design district. so that was fun too. But it was just hot. It was, you know, it's it's hot, but getting faster at those times.
Chris Detzel (37:59)
Yeah.
Kaitlin (38:06)
Trying to work on some speed work. did the mile, which was a PR for me as well, but I hadn't done like a mile time trial ever, probably. So, but that that was a lot of fun. Or in a 524. So I was I was happy with that. It was good. I wanna go faster, but you know, we'll we'll get we'll get there. But yeah, so I was happy with that. It was fun, it was a lot of fun.
Chris Detzel (38:16)
Yeah.
Chris Detzel (38:18)
What'd you run?
Chris Detzel (38:22)
Heck yeah. Five twenty four, that's pretty good. Yeah.
Chris Detzel (38:31)
You know, Caitlin, just think if just think if you were to train for the mile, what would happen? Like I mean, not one time have have us long distance runners really trained for one mile. But if you spent like three weeks just four weeks just training for it, you did.
Kaitlin (38:42)
Yeah.
Kaitlin (38:44)
Well, and I and I did. And Matt, yeah. And Matt had me doing it was in the middle, like I was still trying to keep my volume up, you know, of miles. But he definitely had me focusing and all of us that were running it on shorter distances, you know. And so we were training more that that month leading up to it. and I think that's that's something that especially again kind of as older runners, you lose some of that speed and some of that turnover. And so getting back into more speed training.
Chris Detzel (38:52)
Yeah, yeah.
Chris Detzel (38:58)
Okay. Some training.
Kaitlin (39:14)
definitely in the summer when it's hot and you don't want to run, you know, these long races, get doing more five Ks, doing more speed training, miles, two miles track work, I think is really great. something that we've incorporated more that I've been more doing, and Matt really hits on are strides. After you know, at the end of runs, doing, you know, a set of six, eight strides, hill sprints or hill strides for that power.
Chris Detzel (39:36)
Yeah.
Chris Detzel (39:43)
Like that.
Kaitlin (39:43)
Another thing that I've been trying to incorporate more, again, just to kind of keep speed and that you know, muscle in as I get older, plyometrics. And again, it's kind of one of those things like, where do I add this and everything else? But like we'll be at the soccer field and I'll be, you know, at at their practices and I'll be off in the side, like jumping side to side and like one foot and and doing some of those things 'cause that's when I'm
Chris Detzel (40:07)
You're that mom.
Kaitlin (40:09)
Yeah, I've got like 10 minutes, so I'm gonna do a little plyo session because this is all I got today, you know. but and I and I and strength training, that's another thing too that I did in college, because again, we had to. then I completely got out of it after college. And so now, especially in my 40s, that's so important, especially for women. we lose our muscle mass and we lose our bone density. And just doing strength and resistance training is very important, you know, to keep that
Chris Detzel (40:12)
I love it. Yeah.
Kaitlin (40:39)
as we as we age as well. And so being more consistent with that, I think for injury prevention, I think that's why I haven't torn my hip again, honestly. You know, is because I'm doing a lot more strength training. Yeah. Yeah. Which I
Chris Detzel (40:52)
Well my you know, so my wife sh she's fifty two and so those this last year she decided I think she ran thirteen Boston marathons in a row and over like thirty marathons and all these things. And you know, she's like, This is my last Boston this year and and now I mean she's been lifting weights pretty hardcore for the last two and a half years. She's I'm from now f from here on out, I'm gonna foc I'm gonna be a a weight, you know, I'm gonna be a weight lifter.
Kaitlin (41:02)
Amazing.
Chris Detzel (41:20)
that runs rather than a runner that lifts lifts weights. And so she's made the transition of four times a week, three or four times a week, just hardcore weights. She has a coach slash kind of telling her what to do, all these things and some sh and and I think you hit it on it. You know, when you get a little bit older like you're not that old. I mean, what are you, forty, forty one? You know? Yeah. So I mean, you know, you just turned masters basically and yeah, it is a difference. I'm not I'm not saying it's not obviously I'm fifty one, so
Kaitlin (41:23)
Yeah.
Kaitlin (41:26)
Wow.
Kaitlin (41:39)
anyway.
Kaitlin (41:49)
Mm-hmm.
Chris Detzel (41:49)
I I see the big difference, you know, from forty to fifty. So and and I and I think you're hitting on something very smart. And I think that, you know, whether you're masters runner or not, I do think that if you can figure out in your thirties or even twenties how to lift some weights, one you look better, two is you know, it's so important, obviously when you get older, you know, and and and you wanna keep running like you are, because we none of us wanna kinda be the
Kaitlin (41:54)
Really, I know.
Kaitlin (42:05)
Mm-hmm.
Chris Detzel (42:18)
per a person that's hunched over in our sixties, you know, and and so that's what happens to runners. You see a lot of that that just run, you know. And so so I I appreciate you hitting on that and and talking
Kaitlin (42:21)
Sure, absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.
Kaitlin (42:30)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's been a big, a big thing. And like you said, not just for older runners, for all runners. And I wasn't doing as much of that. That and and I've talked about there's there's so many incredible runners in the Dallas community that I've met. There's so many, like I said, I've I've mentioned the Masters runners. I know you've had several on your show. And just Caitlin Phillips is another one. She is absolutely incredible. she ran Berlin and in the heat, she just killed it. even with the heat. Like she
Kaitlin (42:59)
is so fast getting past her. I it's she's amazing. So there I mean there's so so many. I know you've had Brent on. but I'm also so impressed with these young runners. I was not getting up at five in my 20s to run in the dark miles on a Saturday morning. Like so I mean the masters runners are I mean runners that are juggling, you know, working kids don't I mean yeah it's so incredible. But I'm I also have to hand it to these young kids that are out there and I'm like what are you doing? You know, but
Chris Detzel (43:09)
Mm-hmm. Me too.
Chris Detzel (43:13)
Yeah. Exactly.
Kaitlin (43:28)
it's it's it's amazing how the community has grown, how running has taken off. you know, it's inspiring seeing seeing all these people and and training and working towards these goals. And I think that's what attracted it for me is of course I run to be healthy and you know, do do that. But I think especially growing up playing soccer and and in college too, is there's always that competitive drive and that.
Kaitlin (43:56)
inside myself and that competitiveness to be better and how far can I push it and how how much if I keep on going, where where could I, you know, go? And sometimes I I talk to Matt about like I feel like I'm against the clock a little bit, but I definitely think there's more that I could do as long as I am smart about it and methodical and injury is what I'm fighting against, you know, and kind of going back with that. and we and we all do, you know, but
Kaitlin (44:26)
being able to come back and and get stronger and doing those strength training and things like that just helps with the longevity of the sport and something that I hope that we can do for a long time in the community and and continue to run as we get older too. So I think it's great.
Chris Detzel (44:42)
Yeah, if you were to so so this kind of a different question just to 'cause I'm curious. If there was somebody that 'cause you mentioned you're competitive and I know that we're a lot of us are competitive against ourselves, but sometimes we have friends that it's fun to be competitive against. Anyone that stands out for you, that you're like, I love being competitive against so and so. Or, you know, I mean, even if it's even if they beat you, who cares? But you know.
Kaitlin (45:04)
No, and it's well it's funny. It's it's more it's not even like competting against, it's more like I see some runners that I that I want to like I train so I can run training runs with them. You know, like I'm like I wanna get in shape so I can stay with them on the long runs. You know? Baddie Steyer, who I she knows that I think she's amazing and she's she's got three kids.
Chris Detzel (45:32)
She's pretty badass. Yeah.
Kaitlin (45:33)
She's amazing. And so, and she's running with all these guys too, like and it's just she just gets faster and faster and she's got three kids and busy and I know she's busy and I just think you know and what she's doing and she ran an incredible CIM, ran an incredible mile the other day. I mean, you know, so yeah, I I'm definitely not running what she's running, but I would love to be able to run more runs with her and to be able to sit down, you know, to
Chris Detzel (45:43)
Yeah.
Chris Detzel (45:57)
Yeah.
Kaitlin (45:59)
Hang on with the group and stuff and but everybody's so supportive. Like everybody's so great with each other, even on the track and you hear it, like you're like, Great job, keep going, you look great, like you got it, you know. I mean everybody is in the community is is so supportive and that's what's so fun and and welcoming, you know, and what makes it what makes it great, you know, and and so I lo I love that. I love that. So but I do get competitive with myself and I've I get that's something that I've had to to
Kaitlin (46:28)
work on too is not getting so focused on one race. Cause as we know, race day can not be what we want it to be. It could be too hot, too cold, windy, your stomach could have issues. You know, there's so many, so many things that could happen on race day. And we put so much focus on that day. And I do too, you know, and because you train for this and you build up and you do all these things. But you know, learning, and I've learned that through my friends that I've run with too is that
Chris Detzel (46:34)
Yeah.
Chris Detzel (46:42)
Yeah.
Kaitlin (46:54)
It's a process and there's so much fun in that buildup and in that process and in that training that even if the training day, even if the actual race itself doesn't go the way you want it, you've built this, you had this great block that you can be proud of. And you've had these miles that you've that you've put in and this effort that builds towards something else. And I've had to learn that over the the last few years. And Matt's help with that too. And he talks about area under the curve, you know, that each cycle builds.
Kaitlin (47:23)
And even if you have injuries or have a bad race or whatever, that training, if you continue, continues to build. I mean, I remember doing my first long runs, and now I'm doing about 70 mile weeks. And before that was what I would peek at, and I could barely walk, you know, or like I do a 20-mile run and be dead the rest of the day. And now your body just can absorb that and you learn you learn how to fuel. You learn how to kind of fit things in better, and you you take that block and take that training and roll it into the next one.
Kaitlin (47:53)
And it continues to build and it definitely ebbs and flows. It's not always gonna be PRs, it's not always linear. You know, you'll have a good race and then a bad race and a good race bad race, but it it's it builds. And I see that more now and I appreciate that more now. And then it takes the pressure off that day, you know, and you can have fun with it. And like like for Berlin, it was like, you know, it's gonna be hot. I was really hoping for 40 degrees coming out of a Dal, you know, from Dallas.
Chris Detzel (48:11)
Yeah.
Kaitlin (48:20)
And it wasn't at all. You know, I think it was eighty when we finished, you know. But I was like, you know what? I've trained in Dallas Heat. We're just gonna roll with it, you know, and hopefully the next one is better, you know. So that's not what it is.
Chris Detzel (48:22)
Oof.
Chris Detzel (48:30)
Slot yeah.
Chris Detzel (48:33)
I do I do think that, you know, some of the points you made. One was you spend all this time and effort training for that one marathon. And so there's a lot of expectations that you put on yourself. We all do it, you know, whether it's you know, that that's I would say that's probably the hard thing about the marathon is that you can only do so many a year. You know, like you can't like a half marathon, I could if I wanted to, I could go in and do one every month, itch, you know, or once every other month and and still race it and still do halfway decent, you know, maybe not all of our PRs. But you can't do that.
Kaitlin (48:50)
Absolutely. Absolutely.
Kaitlin (48:55)
Yes. Yeah.
Chris Detzel (49:03)
I mean you sh probably shouldn't do that with the let's just say let's just say that. Yeah, you could. And so that I think that that's wise but but I love what you said because about each training what what you call it or you said it's one training builds upon the
Kaitlin (49:04)
No, you'll get you'll get injured. You'll get injured. Yeah. Yeah.
Kaitlin (49:18)
They say the area Yeah, the area under the curve, I guess is how they say it and how it how it builds each cycle, the miles and the training and the strength and all that continues to each block your your building on it and and your endurance continues and your body's ability to absorb the training load. again, injuries most certainly set that back, but even recovery from injuries and being able to to absorb that and
Chris Detzel (49:24)
Yeah.
Chris Detzel (49:32)
Bell.
Chris Detzel (49:44)
Mm-hmm.
Kaitlin (49:47)
You know, and keep pushing yourself with that wisely. And I've had to learn, you know, over the years to be slower about it or take those down weeks if your body is just too much. Or you know what? Say, you what, I'm gonna sleep in because my body needs rest instead of the miles today. And that was hard for me for a while. I like, I gotta get it in, I gotta get my you know, and I still do that some. but being also able to recognize it is gonna hurt me today.
Chris Detzel (50:04)
Yeah. Yeah.
Chris Detzel (50:10)
Sure.
Kaitlin (50:15)
It would be better for my body overall and for my next training session or my next feed session or whatever to sleep or to not do this workout, you know?
Chris Detzel (50:15)
Yeah.
Chris Detzel (50:22)
Look, I I can tell you're very passionate about your running. I mean, that's very clear to me. And I love that about you. But the the the other thing that we have to look at is one, look, you have a family of three, you have a husband, you have a full-time job. So yes, your training is important to you, and that should be. I mean, that is for you, right? Like you do this for you. And so that's I do think is important, you know, and we have to do those things for us and for ourselves. But we also have to know that
Chris Detzel (50:51)
We're none of us are pros. You know, like we're not doing this for money. For the most part, there's not. I mean, hardly we have maybe a very select few in DFW, you know, that do this for I don't know any that do it for money, you know. so you know, if we kind of look at it like that, it's like, hey, yes, I want to do the best I can. I want to train the heart as hard as I can, but it's okay to take a rest, you know, it's okay to I mean.
Kaitlin (50:53)
No. I mean I guess some might be, but yeah, yeah, absolutely. Sure.
Kaitlin (51:02)
Absolutely.
Kaitlin (51:05)
Yeah.
Kaitlin (51:14)
Yeah, absolutely.
Chris Detzel (51:16)
If you if if your full-time job was running and you did it in the morning and afternoon and you did some weights, you had some massage person, you had all these things to kind of help you like they do, then that's different. You know, but that's that's not reality. And so I do think that sometimes we don't take that rest that we need. And, you know, kind of think about our especially as we get older. I mean, I know you're 41, you're not old, but w as we get older, we have to realize like, you know, I might not be able to hit PRs again, but I can maybe do what really well.
Kaitlin (51:32)
Sure.
Kaitlin (51:43)
Yeah.
Chris Detzel (51:45)
my age group or something like that, you know. And so you know, so I like I'm glad you said that. And I I I wanted to make sure it's that's the point is is that look, there's another race tomorrow, potentially, you know, I understand that marathons are a lot harder to train for, but like you said, it all builds upon itself. And so so that's that's good. So thank you for saying that.
Kaitlin (51:48)
Absolutely. Absolutely.
Kaitlin (51:59)
Yeah.
Kaitlin (52:03)
Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Kaitlin (52:08)
Yeah. Yeah. No, you're right. And it is. It is it is for fun and it's it's but I think it it's also the community too, that drives it as well. I love starting my day running with some of my best friends and just talking and you know, it's just it's a great it's just a great start to the day. And so I I do love that for sure. Yeah.
Chris Detzel (52:23)
Horaperson.
Chris Detzel (52:34)
Yeah, and I and if you've heard this podcast before, I mean, I say it a hundred a thousand times is community is part of the key, right? Is is probably the big part. You said that you have friends that live two miles from you that have kids, you know, and so you run with them and you get to bond with them, talk to them, probably eat dinners and things like that together. And you know, it's more than just a running community now. Now it's within your everyday life, you know? And and and I love that. You know, that's
Kaitlin (52:46)
Yeah.
Kaitlin (52:54)
Yeah.
Kaitlin (52:58)
Yes.
Kaitlin (53:01)
Mm-hmm.
Chris Detzel (53:02)
How you meet people, some of our best friends are from the running community. You know, I don't really hang out with anybody else. So, you know. I don't have time, you know. So you kind of select that kind of stuff. So what did we miss? Anything that we missed that you're like, hey man, we should have talked about this.
Kaitlin (53:03)
Yep, yep. Yep. Yeah, no, no. Yeah.
Kaitlin (53:23)
No, I think I talked a lot. I do. I'm I talk a lot. So sorry if I kept going. I guess I do other things. I have chickens. I think a lot of people know me. Yes, I bring yes, I'm a urban chicken farmer and I have a bunch of chickens. So my my friends learn a lot about chickens because I talk about those quite a bit. bring eggs to people sometimes. So I'll I'll get you on the egg rotation, Chris. I'll just bring you some eggs out to the out to the track.
Chris Detzel (53:36)
You too?
Chris Detzel (53:41)
Wow.
Chris Detzel (53:49)
Nice. Please. We eat to we eat tons of eggs. Tons. So
Kaitlin (53:53)
Okay, good good, good. So yeah, so it's so that's something but no, I think that's it. Again, I'm sorry if I rambled some. I didn't do that, but yeah, no, this is good.
Chris Detzel (54:04)
You didn't. You did No, this is this is great. Any kind of last tips that you would say, you know, that, hey, you know, I've been doing this for a little you know, pretty long, you know, and and and done some good things. I've been injured a few times. Any kind of thoughts around that real quick?
Kaitlin (54:15)
Yeah.
Kaitlin (54:20)
Just kind of what we've already, you know, touched on is not letting it, you know, get you down to what you need to do as far as rehab. Like you were saying, take the time to take vacations and rest and all the other things in life that just help help make it fun. not taking it too seriously, which I'm learning I'm learning that as well. and then just having a great support system. I know, I know. And just want to shout out to my husband and my kids again because they allow me to do this and they support me so much.
Chris Detzel (54:29)
Yeah.
Chris Detzel (54:39)
You're competitive.
Kaitlin (54:48)
And that's and my parent, everybody's so great. And of course, Matt, coach and and the the team and the coaching community and all that. I just love what they're doing. I love what you're doing. like I said, with the podcast, I think it's great to highlight local runners. And I have a list for you of people that, like I said, I want to hear their stories too. I absolutely will because there's so many, so many amazing runners that have such good stories. And like I said, I've learned so much from
Chris Detzel (54:49)
It's awesome.
Chris Detzel (55:06)
Send it.
Kaitlin (55:15)
every time I run, run with it's so inspiring. So I'll send you that list because I'd love to get some more people on. Love hearing about the local people in the community. seeing people out and about that you that you learn about, like we talked about. I think it's great. And please keep doing it because I learn a lot from it too. So thank you.
Chris Detzel (55:32)
Well, Caitlin, thank you so much for coming on and and thank you for everyone for tuning in to another DFW Talk. Note that I did redesign my website on www.dfw running talk. So go check it out. Training plans, coaches, everything you know that we've learned from the podcast. It's pretty cool. I like it anyways. Also, if you go to DFW Running Talk.substack dot com and subscribe to our newsletter, would love to get you on that as well. Caitlin, thanks again for coming on. Really do appreciate it.
Kaitlin (56:02)
Yeah, thanks for having me. Have good night. Bye.
Chris Detzel (56:04)
Yeah.
