Chris Detzel (00:00.491)
All right, welcome to another DFW running talk. I'm Chris Detzel, and today's special guest is Pete Johnson. Pete, how are you?
Pete Johnson (00:09.73)
Doing well, how are you?
Chris Detzel (00:13.869)
Doing well, man. you know, it's funny because I saw you at a race, I don't know if it was five months ago or something. It was a long time ago. And you won it. It was at the Plano Pacers. Yeah. One of those races. It's like a I don't know if it was a 5K or something, but you killed it. And I thought, I gotta get him on the podcast. And finally, I've seen you in another race or two. finally I have you on, so I appreciate you coming.
Pete Johnson (00:22.093)
Yeah.
Pete Johnson (00:42.092)
Yeah, yeah, this is great. Thanks for having me.
Chris Detzel (00:45.763)
Yeah, of course. So it's you're intriguing to me because I think I think you're probably the fastest person in all of DFW. what is your best half? We'll talk about that in a minute, but just more specifically, because you've run a half and not a marathon.
Pete Johnson (01:02.348)
Yeah. Yeah. So I've run half marathon ran 65 11 Houston this past January.
Chris Detzel (01:09.707)
Okay.
Nice. So I think I think Sergio might have run I don't know if he's run a one four before, but that guy's really fast too. Didn't he race him in like McKinney or something? Or
Pete Johnson (01:19.651)
Yeah.
Pete Johnson (01:23.278)
Yeah, I raced him back in November at the Fort Worth Turkey Trot in the 5K there. We were pretty close. was a great race. A lot of fun. Sprint to the finish. And then I raced him again in April at a half marathon, the one in Frisco. So.
Chris Detzel (01:29.635)
For word. Okay. All right.
Chris Detzel (01:46.669)
That's right, that's right. And so you have some competition, you know, and I think that's that's always good. Especially in the half. And and you're running your first full in what is it, December?
Pete Johnson (01:51.138)
Yeah.
Pete Johnson (01:54.956)
Yeah.
Pete Johnson (02:02.092)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, so I'll run, schedule to run CIM in December out in Sacramento. So I'm looking forward to that one.
Chris Detzel (02:10.892)
Great. So, all right. I don't usually start off that way, but I just wanted to make sure that yeah. I just want to make sure that we're kind of on the same page. So tell me a little bit about your running journey. When did you start running and you know, and and how'd you get so fast?
Pete Johnson (02:25.1)
Yeah. So started running kind of, I mean, my whole life I've kind of been, you know, an active kid. I've got three older brothers. So I was always forced to, you know, run around the house and get chased by them. Plenty of times running away from them and things like that.
And so I grew up playing all the sports, soccer, basketball, baseball. Soccer was my main sport. kind of getting into high school, I really, I knew that I wanted to compete in college, at least in some sport. And at the time I thought it would be soccer because I was really pretty good.
Chris Detzel (02:59.979)
Okay.
Pete Johnson (03:15.288)
you know, felt that I had a good shot at doing something like that. And then the summer before my freshman year of high school, my buddy George told me, you know,
He's like, hey Pete, like we're gonna play soccer in high school, but this summer come to cross country practice with me up at Plano West. And so that whole summer, I got up super early in the morning with the Texas heat, you kind of have to, and we'd go run with the team and started building mileage, learning more about the sport. My coach, Coach Reinberg,
I was a guy who was just a phenomenal coach and cared a lot about us just as athletes, but also as people and cared about like our character development and the way that we grew. And so that summer I just learned like, hey, this sport is something that teaches you discipline, dedication, grit, respect, integrity and never quitting. And so
Chris Detzel (04:25.804)
Mm-hmm.
Pete Johnson (04:26.124)
That summer I just fell in love with running and all things about it. Just my coach was really great. Taught me a little bit about what it looks like to be a man. And then just all the guys on the team was a good atmosphere. Kind of an exciting time. And so I was still scheduled to play soccer for the school.
A couple weeks before school started, I was like, hey, mom, I don't really want to do soccer. I kind of want to do cross country. She's like, well, you should just try it. So the first couple weeks, I went back and forth. I went to cross country practice early, early, and then went to soccer tryouts. Ended up making the team after a couple weeks, but then went and told the coach, I really would prefer just to stick with running right now.
And since cross country is a fall sport, he was cool with it. He said, you know, come back in the spring, which I told him I would. and then I just never turned back. so, yeah, it was a lot of fun. Ended up just going full out into cross country and track at that point.
Chris Detzel (05:28.439)
That's cool.
Chris Detzel (05:43.523)
So you didn't do soccer at all.
Pete Johnson (05:45.679)
No, no, I ended up throughout high school. I I played indoor soccer with some friends just for fun But yeah, I kind of focused all in on running
Chris Detzel (05:54.467)
Hanging out. Yeah.
Chris Detzel (06:00.15)
So in high school I'm curious, you know, were you one of the top five in the on the team or the top? What what did that look like?
Pete Johnson (06:08.846)
Yeah, so my freshman year, I kind of made the varsity team in my first year. I think I was maybe like our fifth guy or something like that. And then sophomore year became one of our best guys. There was another guy who was still better than me. He was a senior. And my incoming class also, we had quite a few
pretty solid dudes. So then by senior year, junior and senior year, I was kind of our number one guy, just cross country and most of the events on the track. And then we had a pretty solid squad. So we had five guys that were all pretty decent. We ended up making it to state our senior year as a team.
Chris Detzel (06:40.099)
Yeah.
Pete Johnson (07:05.646)
And so that was super exciting because our team, Plano West, we didn't historically make it to state in high school. So it was super cool. At Regionals, we ended up tying for fourth and it went to like the sixth man and our sixth guy beat the other team's sixth guy. So we barely made it to state, but it was just really sweet because that was kind of the goal.
Chris Detzel (07:30.371)
That's great.
Pete Johnson (07:35.618)
from the beginning.
Pete Johnson (07:40.174)
So yeah, was an exciting time.
Chris Detzel (07:43.713)
It is. What what was your best time in high school for five kids?
Pete Johnson (07:47.759)
5k I ended up running 1524 at state. That ended up being my best and then. Yeah, my. Maybe my. One of my favorites or best high school performances I think came freshman year in the 5K Iran 1554 on the track at Texas Distance Festival and that was that was pretty cool.
Chris Detzel (07:53.389)
Okay.
Chris Detzel (08:11.617)
Okay. Yeah.
Chris Detzel (08:17.037)
That's super fast, man. Well, I appreciate you giving that background. And you know, you and I were talking about Stephen Faye for a minute. Yeah. I remember him running like a 1340 or 1350 at some point. So that guy's really fast.
Pete Johnson (08:28.706)
Yeah. Yeah, that's wild.
Chris Detzel (08:34.275)
so what gets you so so when you finished high school, did you run in college or or no?
Pete Johnson (08:40.75)
Yeah, yep. leaving high school, I ended up my junior year late, late my junior year started kind of getting contacted by some coaches. At that point, my cross country performances weren't super impressive. I ended up running like 414 in the 1600 junior year. And that's, you know, I would say my
one of my better ones. so yeah, college coaches started contacting me, reached out from like the University of Texas and OU, Baylor. And then I got this message, I think over the phone from Taylor Gulley up at the University of Tulsa. When I got the message, I was with my coach and I'm like, Hey, like, have you ever heard of the University of Tulsa? And
Chris Detzel (09:10.731)
Pretty good.
Pete Johnson (09:39.149)
He didn't really know what it was. And so I kind of let the text go. A couple weeks later, he texted me again and I was with my mom. I'm like, hey, have you ever heard of the University of Tulsa? And I was like, or she was like, no, not really. But I ended up shooting a text back and he came and visited, the coach visited summer of my junior year, like after my junior year.
doing like a home visit and kind of told me all about it. Really told me about, you know, everything to do with running in college and ended up taking a visit there my senior year, like October, and kind of just seemed right. It fit well. Like I said, I didn't know what Tulsa was, but I visited and, you know, the coach was telling me like,
their prospects to get top 10 in cross country. And that was kind of the goal. And I'm like, yeah, let's do it. I really enjoyed the guys on the team. They've got, it's more, they pull from Europe. we got a lot of, I had a lot of teammates that were German, from England, the UK.
Ireland and so by my scene, so I ended up going to Tulsa, ran four years there. I really was fortunate to not really be ever injured in a major way. Yeah, I would say my first few years at TU
Chris Detzel (11:05.111)
That's cool.
Chris Detzel (11:14.86)
Did you ever get injured?
Chris Detzel (11:20.643)
It's awesome.
Pete Johnson (11:31.055)
I wasn't kind of like fully focused on the running. It was a big deal for me, but I think I kind of had other friends off the team, like some Christian organizations and things that I was more involved with and spending more time with. And so running was maybe more in the back of my mind. Like I was still pretty good, but at TU I was never
Chris Detzel (11:54.807)
Secondary, yeah.
Pete Johnson (12:00.111)
in the top seven in cross country. So I was like more of a second or third group kind of a guy, at least when it came to cross country, just because, you know, from high school to college, you jump from 5k to 8k. And it was just a distance that I struggled to get down. I didn't.
Chris Detzel (12:15.702)
Yeah, it's different.
Pete Johnson (12:24.078)
do kind of an insane amount of miles. Like my freshman year I was probably doing 60 miles a week. And then after that, bumped it like five to 10 each year. So like 70 sophomore year. I think by junior year I was probably doing 80 miles pretty consistently. Yeah, yeah, it's good. Yeah, but there's some guys out there, you know, that are
Chris Detzel (12:37.452)
Okay.
Chris Detzel (12:42.529)
That's pretty good, right? That's quite a bit. It seems like a lot.
Pete Johnson (12:52.728)
cranking out hundreds, hundred plus. And I think at that point, while I was at Tulsa the first few years, running just wasn't everything for me. so, yeah. And so I, you know, at least on the track, you know, I was still pretty good, like running four tens, low four tens in the mile and things like that. But really didn't come until junior year.
Chris Detzel (13:03.947)
Wasn't your priority.
Pete Johnson (13:22.926)
We got this new assistant coach, Brian Beaker. He primarily is like a steeplechase coach. He ran, you know, 402 in college in the mile and he ran like 850, 851 in the steeplechase. I think he ran up at Iowa State. And he was just phenomenal at coaching the steeple. And at that point, steeplechase was my main event.
Chris Detzel (13:32.749)
Yeah.
Chris Detzel (13:51.992)
wow, another steeple chaser. I did not know.
Pete Johnson (13:54.671)
Yeah. And so it's also kind of, you know, my freshman year of college was tainted by COVID. So like I never got to run, you know, outdoor season there. And then even my sophomore year, it was like cross country ended up being in the winter. So I was doing like indoor track rather than cross country. So, you know, that kind of mess with things a little bit too. But anyway,
Chris Detzel (14:03.232)
Mm-hmm.
Chris Detzel (14:07.766)
Okay.
Chris Detzel (14:21.453)
Okay.
Pete Johnson (14:23.554)
Yeah, so I didn't get a true steeple chase in until my sophomore year. But then junior year, we got, you know, our new coach, Brian, and he really took a lot of time to invest in me. You know, I would show up to a steeple practice and it would just be me, him and maybe one other teammate. And like he would just be like, hey, do you do you really want to be here? Like?
or would you rather be out playing disc golf? And at that point, like I was playing disc golf like all the time. And so he kind of kind of practiced one day. was like, do you actually want to be here? Like you can go home. And, you know, I took some time thinking about it and stuff. And, you know, I'm like, well, like I do want to be here. And he kind of just harped on me that was just letting me know,
you don't look focused at practice, you you show up not with the best mentality of you kind of just rolled right out of bed. Yeah, yeah, which, which, yeah, in hindsight, you know, that was a big conversation. And he really just wanted to challenge me to know, like, why I'm doing it and what my why is. And he
Chris Detzel (15:29.399)
Like it, man, he just put it out there to you. And it's true, right?
Chris Detzel (15:37.219)
Kindsite. Yeah.
Pete Johnson (15:50.147)
put that challenge forth. And I think from that moment on, I started taking it a little bit more seriously. And I really do think it's because he saw my potential. He saw what I was capable of doing. And it wasn't like, I think he realized that I wasn't living up to my potential and maybe even like I wasn't seeing my own potential. And so he gave me that challenge and
I think from there, I kind of started dialing in, you know, on things like sleep and diet, showing up to practice focused, you know, and excited and really took a big jump there. Later on in my junior year on the steeple, I ended up running.
I was on track to run close to nine minutes in the steeple and then I fell on like the last water pit. So I ended up, I think I ran nine nine and I still actually PR'd. But yeah, it really came senior year, I think the fruit of like that conversation and just a.
Chris Detzel (16:55.565)
That's great.
Pete Johnson (17:08.654)
being more focused on the little things and kind of adding more mileage senior year is when more of that good came out of that conversation. And then that even flowed into the next couple of years. So after I ran for Tulsa, I graduated there in 2023 and then.
Chris Detzel (17:29.997)
So so we l so that's fair, and we'll get to that after. But I'm I'm still hooked on your college. So let's talk a little bit more about that 'cause I mean a lot of stuff happened. You mentioned and and I love that, you know, somebody grabbed you and that's sometimes what it takes as a coach or somebody that really cares to see a potential in you and and kind of push you to do better, you know, and but they it sounds like you took that opportunity. And I think that's also a part of it is you didn't have to, you know, yeah.
Pete Johnson (17:33.933)
Yeah.
Pete Johnson (17:37.453)
Yeah.
Chris Detzel (17:59.396)
I wanna go play disc golf and hang out with my friends, you know. But and it's a lot, it's easy to do that in college because you know it's hard to be focused because you have friends, you know, you want to hang out with them. so let's talk about your senior year then. Like what what were the races like? How did you do what made you better? You know, you said something changed, how much better were you? You know, was it time you were better or just mentally? What tell me more about that? Tell me about some of the races that were.
Pete Johnson (18:02.54)
Yeah.
Chris Detzel (18:28.055)
fun. Do you see yourself as competitive? I mean you're fast, but you know when you're going against these guys, are you just like trying to kick their butts or, you know, like, I've got to beat you know, that kind of stuff. What is that like? I wanna know. Because that, know, I wanna live vicariously through you.
Pete Johnson (18:38.445)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Pete Johnson (18:44.462)
Yeah, yeah, senior year, I, in cross country, I kind of, I did my best to, you know, run as well as I could. And I think the problem while was at Tulsa, especially in cross country was I worked at this summer camp called Camp War Eagle up in Northwest Arkansas. It's kind of like a Christian sports camp.
But I did that every summer throughout college. so like training was just really tough because I wake up at, you know, 6 a.m. or something and try to run my miles before getting the kids awake at 7. And then it's like a whole day on your feet and then go into bed kind of late to do it all again. so like one week at camp, I averaged like 35000 steps. So it's just
Chris Detzel (19:16.641)
Yeah. Couldn't do it.
Pete Johnson (19:39.287)
That wasn't the best in terms of putting on miles and things like that. But cross country, I did all right. My goal senior year was to make the conference team and be able to run the 8K there and maybe allow another faster guy to rest for regionals and nationals. Because in college, that's kind of the idea is for
you to run deeper guys on the team earlier so that you can save the best guys for regionals, nationals. And so that was my goal. I wanted to get there. I ran a decent race at OSU. OSU is a hard course. It's pretty hilly.
Surprisingly, yeah, in Stillwater, Oklahoma, you've got one of the hilliest courses in the nation. Yeah. But I did, it's it's an 8K there. Regionals and Nationals is 10K. But then I raced up in Wisconsin and that was a lot of fun being up there and like the travel with the team and everything ended up being one of my worst races. It was just super cold.
Chris Detzel (20:42.305)
Really? Huh. That's eight K, right?
Chris Detzel (20:51.597)
Okay.
Chris Detzel (21:05.613)
Ha ha.
Pete Johnson (21:06.638)
I was doing my best, but like I just fell off that day. And in cross country at that point, like I wasn't really thinking like, let me beat this guy or beat this guy. Like I was just trying to get it done.
Chris Detzel (21:24.683)
You're in the race, you're just like, I just gotta get this done and I'm I'm good.
Pete Johnson (21:28.15)
Yeah, like every single time, probably around four miles, like I would, the wheels would kind of just fall off. Like I'd be having a pretty solid race. like I said, AK was just tough. So then fast forward to the track. That's kind of where I was able to do a little bit better. Senior year, indoors, I raced conference, I raced the mile.
And this is in Birmingham, Alabama. It was a lot of fun. had in the mile final, had four Tulsa guys out of 12 athletes there. Tulsa is pretty distance dominant. So in our conference, Tulsa would just dominate the conference. so there was four of us and
That was a lot of fun kind of planning the race beforehand. You know, I at that point was pretty dialed in to like kind of a race plan and thinking about where people would be, especially at the start of the race. so we kind of planned strategically for me to get out like towards the front. And then one of our guys just fall in behind me. But then the other two, they're like they're a level above me. And so.
We get in there, race goes out really slow. Like we're pretty much jogging, but all of us were at the front. So like we didn't really mind, you know, if no one wanted to take it, like we're just gonna keep it pretty relaxed. And so we come through 800 around 210, which is kind of a snail's pace and 800 to go. We kind of just start to rip it, especially with like 400 to go.
I'm not focused on the clock at all, like just worried about, you know, getting the best place that I can. Going into it, I think my coach would have been happy if I was like seventh or eighth and that's still scoring position. I ended up finishing in fifth and nearly beat some of the much better guys on my team. So Tulsa ended up going like one, I think it was one, two, four, five, or like one, three, four, five.
Chris Detzel (23:38.818)
Great.
Pete Johnson (23:50.651)
so that was just super fun.
Chris Detzel (23:50.945)
Okay.
Did you think you were gonna beat those guys, a a couple of them or at the end or
Pete Johnson (23:56.367)
Yeah, right at the end, I was doing everything I could to get by him. And it was close. I ended up closing in like a 1.57 or 1.58, running like 4.08. So I nearly PR'd in a race that was, know, tactical. Yeah, so that was lot of fun. And then later that
Chris Detzel (24:08.291)
Wow. Okay.
Chris Detzel (24:16.451)
Super slow at first for you.
Chris Detzel (24:24.577)
What do you think about that guy that just broke the world record, the mile?
Pete Johnson (24:29.018)
yeah, Josh Kerr. Yeah, he that's that's amazing. That's really exciting for the sport. I love you know, watching watching these guys like Cole Hawker and yard and a goose. Just these really fast guys get after it and Josh Kerr.
Chris Detzel (24:30.817)
Yeah.
Chris Detzel (24:35.523)
Pretty amazing.
It is.
Pete Johnson (24:52.13)
Yeah, he's amazing. He has it's really neat. Like he kind of puts his training out there like he does behind the scenes stuff. So I think he'll his company puts out like a lot of the training leading up to it and like his mentality and things like that, which he really I think does it for, you the sport. He does it for his country. But yeah, growing the sport is big. I mean, that record.
stood for 27 years, which is crazy.
Chris Detzel (25:25.155)
It's it's it's you're seeing a lot of new records being broken and running in endurance. So whether it's a mile or the marathon, half marathon, I mean, like it's really fun to see, you know, both men and women kind of breaking these records and doing some amazing things. So I mean. All right. So that h that helps. So thank you for you know providing more background because I I just kind of got into that. I was like
Pete Johnson (25:34.008)
Yeah.
Pete Johnson (25:40.526)
Yeah.
Chris Detzel (25:50.756)
You know, it's it's it's pretty interesting that you actually ran, you know, both steeplechase and cross country in college and and so here you are now. Did you just say, you know, I wanna start running longer? Or what what tell me kind of your thoughts around all that?
Pete Johnson (26:02.584)
So yeah, I.
Chris Detzel (26:07.491)
'Cause you hated the AK, so I thought I'd go start running marathons in halves. So
Pete Johnson (26:10.752)
Yeah, well, that kind of wasn't the end. in 23, I graduated from Tulsa, but I wanted to do grad school. So I ended up I ended up going to UCA, Central Arkansas. And when I was looking into physical therapy, like grad schools, things like that, I would have stayed at Tulsa, but Tulsa just didn't have the program. And so I graduated and transferred to UCA.
Chris Detzel (26:24.962)
Okay.
Pete Johnson (26:40.75)
And with COVID, this is the silver lining, COVID gave me an extra year. And so when I went to UCI, I still had kind of ish two years of eligibility. And so, yeah, 2024 and five, I ran cross country and track up at UCA. And
Chris Detzel (26:50.583)
Yeah. Well.
Pete Johnson (27:09.486)
I kind of took what I learned at Tulsa, like all the discipline, everything like that, and kind of just pushed that forward into my time at UCA. So UCA, you know, while I was at TU, we were actually, we were top 10 every single year in cross country, top 10 at nationals, which, you know, I was never on the top seven, but it was really cool.
Chris Detzel (27:30.531)
It's good. That's awesome.
Chris Detzel (27:36.525)
Right. Yeah. I mean you know what fast was, right? You know it's like you're fast, but these guys are another level, sounds like.
Pete Johnson (27:37.453)
to be a part of a team and train with those guys. Some of those guys. yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You got Patrick Deaver, Peter Lynch. These guys are running 60 or sorry, two hours and six minutes in the marathon. And Peter Lynch now holds like lots of the Irish national records.
Chris Detzel (28:04.803)
So awesome.
Pete Johnson (28:05.614)
Yeah, so it was really cool to be a part of that. And what did you say? Oh, yeah, yeah. And that's the thing. It's you know, you see all these guys that are super fast and you you wonder what they're like. And I mean, Patrick Devere, he's like he's one of the most humble guys ever that I've ever met. You know, he he gets in there and trains and.
Chris Detzel (28:07.523)
That is really cool. Yeah. Did you hang out with those guys? Did you hang out with some of those guys? No, okay.
Chris Detzel (28:23.875)
Just humans.
Pete Johnson (28:33.73)
very soft spoken, just they're the nicest guys, you know. So it's a cool environment to be a part of. Cause I think that is what it's like within the running community. Not a lot of people I've run into that I don't get along with or that have a big head on them. And so that's a really sweet thing I think about the running community.
Chris Detzel (28:37.815)
That's awesome. Yeah.
Pete Johnson (29:03.623)
Chris Detzel (29:04.023)
Look, I think that, you know, when you look at just bringing back to Dallas for Worth is I mean, that's how people become really good friends. And, you know, it's another reason why I started this podcast. I get to talk to people like you that are I think for us for DFW extremely fast, but also some of the people that aren't fast. You know, like it just I I get to talk to a lot of different people within the community. And one of the big things is is like you said, is people are really nice.
It's it's really about being in the community. None of us are even you aren't gonna be a professional anymore. You know, you it's it's just you really have to be on, you know, an extreme level to do that. And so we do it for our health, we like it because it's competitive. There's a lot of different reasons, but we can all do it together. But there's like fifty or sixty running groups here, man. So it's insane. So let's go back to the college then. Sorry.
Pete Johnson (29:37.806)
with her.
Pete Johnson (29:51.565)
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, so yeah, I went to UCA, took some advice from my buddy Hudson and he told me, you're strong like you, like I said earlier, like I haven't been injured in a major way, which is, yeah, maybe just fortune. I don't know, but yeah, yeah.
Chris Detzel (30:18.423)
Bussing fortune, you took good care of yourself, all kinds of things.
Pete Johnson (30:23.242)
And so, yeah, basically when I went to UCA, I'm like, all right, I've got two years left. Like, I'm to put everything I can into this and see what can come of it. so like the summers leading into those cross seasons, like I, I put down 90 miles, a few weeks at a hundred and really took training seriously.
and was cross training as well like on the bike at times. But really, I learned how to say no, you know, to friends when it was 8pm and I needed to go to sleep. And really, was just, yeah, for sure. Yeah, really just put everything I had into it. And I said, you know,
Chris Detzel (31:05.635)
I'm sure that was hard the first few times.
Pete Johnson (31:15.03)
If God's going to give me this gift, like, let me use it and see what I can do with it. And so my first year at UCA, things were a lot different just because now like I'm the top guy or like fighting for that top position. And that's vastly different from when I was at Tulsa. that's part of the reason probably why I enjoyed cross country more.
Chris Detzel (31:36.865)
Mindset's different, I bet. Yeah.
Pete Johnson (31:43.919)
just because now I'm scoring and now I've got a team that is relying on me, me and a couple other guys. So now this is fun. get to travel to these meets and run. I think maybe just a conglomeration of the mileage. My coach at UCA is phenomenal, Josie Weaver. He really helped transform me.
Chris Detzel (31:51.667)
Pretty fun.
Pete Johnson (32:13.902)
He, whenever I, whenever I meet with him in the office, like it's just, I always leave feeling so much better, whether, whether I've had a bad race or a great race, like he's always there to support. and he truly cares like about me as a person, like he, he always would say, and like the beginning of the year meeting, he would say, you know, the AD asked me like, if our team's going to be successful this year.
And I told them that I can't tell you, you know, if our team is going to be successful right now. Like I can tell you that in 10 years, whenever I know like these men and women, like do they have family? Like what are their families like? You know, what kind of jobs do they have? Like how are they serving in their community? And so he impacted me in a big way just through like transformational coaching and loving me as a person.
and as an athlete. And so he really kind of showed me like what it looks like to believe in me and then in like a team. And I think that buy-in was huge. So I just did everything I could to be in the best spot possible when it came to these races. so cross country. Yeah. Yeah.
Chris Detzel (33:37.443)
And these are eight K as well, right? Like they're always eight K s now. Okay.
Pete Johnson (33:40.911)
So yeah, eight Ks and then regionals, nationals are 10 Ks. And so I finally got the eight K figured out, actually started running pretty well on them. It's funny because my first year at UCA, my best time was 25, 19 in the eight K.
Chris Detzel (34:03.043)
That's great time. 8K it just doesn't compute. I could do a ten K and I could do a five K, just not an eight K.
Pete Johnson (34:06.816)
Yeah. Yeah. And then but then the second year at UCA, I made an even bigger jump. And I think it was just because that that summer before and I ended up running twenty three thirty nine, which. That's like four forty five per mile. And like, you know, you can you can you can put a time out there, at this
Chris Detzel (34:22.595)
Well, how many how how fast is that per mile?
Chris Detzel (34:28.983)
Well, okay. That puts it in perspective.
Pete Johnson (34:35.894)
At the same time, these courses are so different. So I ran this down in College Station, which is just known to be a fast course. But I PR'd by over a minute and a half. And I was on top of the world. It was just...
Chris Detzel (34:39.553)
Yeah, a hundred percent.
Chris Detzel (34:53.805)
Did how how did so tell me how you were doing, like, you know, you run these really fast times. Now were these way were they extr way faster than the college days you were doing before, or were they just a minute or so faster? What's the
Pete Johnson (35:05.134)
Yeah. Yeah. So when I was at Tulsa, I pretty much was always like 25, 40 or like 26 minutes. I just didn't. Yeah, I just didn't run too many cross races at Tulsa either. Like in my whole time there, I probably ran like six or eight, eight K's. And then at UCA, like my first year, I
Chris Detzel (35:13.462)
Okay.
Chris Detzel (35:16.973)
Plenty three is huge.
Chris Detzel (35:28.61)
Okay.
Pete Johnson (35:32.239)
probably ran four or five, second year probably four or five. So yeah, second year at UCA, like when I ran that, everything fell into place during that race. I was like 42nd, I think. But yeah, like when I was getting towards
Chris Detzel (35:46.285)
Yeah.
What place did you get? How fat I mean?
Chris Detzel (35:54.125)
Okay. Forty second.
Chris Detzel (36:00.312)
no, it's fast, but there's also forty one people ahead of you. That's that's pretty insane 'cause you're really fast. So a lot of competition.
Pete Johnson (36:02.764)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. yeah, for sure. But that it was just phenomenal. Like you there's there's very few races where you kind of just feel like every single thing went right. And like you expect like during that AK I expected around four miles to like feel terrible.
but then like you just keep feeling good and you're like, what's going on? But you kind of, you just got to take advantage of it and like do whatever you can to get to that line. But that was just, it was a special experience being on this team at UCA that really had a great coach and great teammates, great support and just like good times. And
Chris Detzel (36:34.103)
How is this? Yeah.
Chris Detzel (36:58.509)
That's awesome. So did you get original in state? Did you do it? Did or no?
Pete Johnson (36:59.882)
So yeah, and then on the. So while I was at UCI, I did run at regionals. My goal going into my last year was to make it to nationals and. It's really difficult. You got to be top four, not on a team if your team doesn't qualify. And so like that, that takes like a top.
eight finish normally at regionals. I ended up getting sick a little bit before the 10k regionals this year and just ended up getting like 40th 40 or something like that. And so a little bit of a bummer. But like cross country fitness always. Yeah. Yeah. And that's that's the thing with running is like a sickness can can knock you off.
Chris Detzel (37:34.338)
No.
Chris Detzel (37:46.979)
Sometimes life shows you that.
Pete Johnson (37:55.487)
even if you're in the best shape of your life and so.
Chris Detzel (37:58.436)
Exactly. Well, the beauty now is that, you know, you can always there's another race, you know. there's not always another college race. You know, that that's probably the difference. But now it's like, well, I mean it sucks if you got sick, I'm not or injured or whatever, but you know, at the moment there's just plenty of races. You know, I always tell people like, it's it's okay, you know, you didn't do well in this half marathon.
Pete Johnson (38:06.027)
Yeah.
Pete Johnson (38:10.413)
Mm-hmm.
Pete Johnson (38:18.008)
Yeah.
Chris Detzel (38:28.173)
There's another one c right up the road, you know. So
Pete Johnson (38:30.06)
Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, cross country fitness kind of always carries into the track. And so like track I ended up running really well outdoors in the steeple. We went out to California, which was a great trip. And Azusa Pacific. It's Brian Clay Invitational and just a huge distance festival where like guys are running.
Chris Detzel (38:49.195)
Pretty awesome.
Pete Johnson (38:59.63)
low 13s and you know, three, 335 in the 1500. And so I steepled out there. Another one of those races where kind of just everything came together, ended up running 849, placing pretty highly. And I knew at that point 850 would probably get me to regionals. And so
That was kind of the goal my last year was to make it to regionals on the track. So that ended up getting me there and my final race for UCA ended up not panning out perfectly and that's okay, but it was down in College Station. I steeped old and ended up 25th in the region out of 48, which is higher than I.
Chris Detzel (39:35.0)
Nice.
Pete Johnson (39:53.705)
anticipated, but obviously I would have loved to make it to nationals. But at the end of the day, so nationals, you got to be top 12. Yeah, in the region. So yeah, at the end of the day, my conference meet was phenomenal. And it was just great. We're in Florida and
Chris Detzel (39:59.192)
I mean, what do you gotta get in the nationals top four? You said.
Chris Detzel (40:04.941)
okay.
Pete Johnson (40:19.886)
I steepled out there, which the goal was to win it. And I had a good shot. And steeple typically at conference, not a ton of guys run it. So there might've been 10 or 12 of us. And another guy in the race, Brady, he's pretty fast from Lipscomb. And so he kind of took off with two laps to go after kind of a slow start.
I tried to get with him and did as best I could, but he ended up beating me. But still, was just really cool to get second. then the next day, came back in the 5K and then I ended up getting... Yeah. So yeah, the conference is like three days long. The second day of Steeple, third day is like the 5K.
Chris Detzel (40:54.593)
Yes, second.
Chris Detzel (41:04.461)
The next day.
Chris Detzel (41:11.746)
Yeah.
Pete Johnson (41:15.854)
And so pretty much everybody runs the 5K since it's like the last event. So there's like 40, there's like 40 guys in this 5K heat. And like I, I wasn't supposed to get top 10, maybe even top 20, but cause like our, conference at UCA was actually like insane on the distance side. So I ended up, uh, it was kind of a slow race, like started out pretty easy.
Chris Detzel (41:15.99)
Okay.
Pete Johnson (41:45.483)
and right around 15 minute pace. And then like guys started speeding up a few laps to go. And in that race, like I'm just like, I need to get top eight, like I want to score. And I was in it with three laps to go. And kind of with these guys that are there, I mean, national ranked runners and they're, you know, running in the 13s and stuff. And I'm right there.
So I did everything I could, ended up closing in like a 4.25, got sixth. And that, yeah, I was super proud of that performance. So it was 14.42. So yeah. It's funny, because I think a few weeks earlier I ran the same exact time, like two hundredths of a second difference. So.
Chris Detzel (42:19.127)
Wow.
Chris Detzel (42:23.651)
Well that what was your time on that one?
Chris Detzel (42:28.259)
Is that your best podcast?
Chris Detzel (42:38.047)
okay. That's crazy.
Pete Johnson (42:40.908)
Which I don't know how that happens in the 5k.
Chris Detzel (42:44.727)
Well, that so that was exciting. I'm glad you brought me to that journey, man. I appreciate that. how fun, you know. I don't usually get to hear a lot of exciting kind of journeys from college and then college again. But to to where you're the man, you know, like you know, you were eighth or ninth or whatever it was the first one and and then the next one, you're the guy or one or two other guys, maybe.
Pete Johnson (42:49.452)
Yeah. Yeah.
Pete Johnson (43:00.258)
Yeah.
Pete Johnson (43:13.027)
Yeah.
Chris Detzel (43:14.365)
so you can you you graduated, you did really well, did some cool stuff there. what w tell me now about the journey.
Pete Johnson (43:20.323)
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, PT school. It's three years long. So I actually kind of just finished. I'm actually taking my board board exam next week. And so thank you. So I still what you say? Yeah, thank you. yeah. Super happy. And so like this past year,
Chris Detzel (43:36.525)
Congrats.
That's awesome. That's awesome. That's great. I'm sure you're happy about being almost done.
Pete Johnson (43:52.355)
has been like that, you know, post collegiate limbo of, know, like I absolutely love running and I don't see myself like not doing it. And I'm a competitive person and I like to push my body to the limit and.
I love the community around it and the conversations it allows me to have with people. And so I'm still going to do it. And so what does that look like is kind of the question. While I was up in Little Rock, there's a company out there called Blue Rose Running Company. It's attached to their physical therapy and the owner, his name's Logan Dockery. He's phenomenal.
If you're ever in Arkansas and need physical therapy, he's the guy to go to. Especially with runners, he's kind of a savant. He can just look at you, run, and tell you every single thing that's wrong and help you fix it. It's so amazing. Anyway, he's got this running company that he's looking to build and of grow the elite running portion of it.
Chris Detzel (44:48.941)
He's the guy.
Chris Detzel (44:59.448)
Mm-hmm.
Pete Johnson (45:13.866)
And so that's kind of what I've been doing over the last year is I've trained some with the UCA team and then just trained with like some, you know, one or two of the alumni that are still, you know, around to keep fitness up. And I didn't necessarily know like what I was going for or striving towards. I kind of still wanted the steeple.
Chris Detzel (45:17.645)
Okay.
Pete Johnson (45:44.015)
And I think I still do want the steeple like Olympic. Olympic, you know, has always been a dream for me to get to the Olympics. Obviously that's incredibly hard. yeah, so and I at least want to make a run, you know, at the trials or something like that. And so my UCA coach told me one of his biggest regrets because he used to be a 10k runner. One of his biggest regrets was like
Chris Detzel (45:54.563)
It's awesome. But you're still really young, so that's a potential for you.
Chris Detzel (46:04.547)
Yeah.
Pete Johnson (46:13.716)
never running a marathon when he was still fast because like you do need the speed of it because if you look at any like Connor Manz or any of those guys like they can run a four minute mile you know they've got the speed a marathon is not just aerobic and so I think Ben Logan as well over at Blue Rose was telling me you know
Chris Detzel (46:36.129)
Yeah, well, I mean that that's true.
Pete Johnson (46:41.934)
he kind of encouraged me. He's like, you would be a really good marathoner. over the last year, I've kind of made the jump a little bit. Over like last summer and the fall, I was still pretty much training like I would for cross country, but also putting on a lot of miles. So like 90 mile weeks, 100 miles. And that's like,
the training essentially necessary for a marathon as well. And so like, yeah, last, last fall I ended up running a few cross country races, some eight Ks. And then I ran the Tulsa run. It's like a 15 K in October. And then probably after that, when I was like still in great shape, I was like, you know what? Like I need to, I need to run a half. And so.
Chris Detzel (47:13.698)
Yeah.
No difference.
Pete Johnson (47:39.961)
took a stab at the half in Houston in January and leading up to it, I was not fully confident that I would run great, but I was telling myself like, get in there and like, you know, you have the fitness, like just do what you can, like see what happens. Cause like the few weeks leading up, like I was kind of getting some nagging injury, like some groin pain and hip pain and stuff. And
Anyway, day of the race comes, I'm feeling pretty good and just excited to see what happens. I have my family there and some friends, girlfriend was there and so I'm like...
Chris Detzel (48:22.925)
Great. Gotta show off in front of the girlfriend, you know. Show off after her.
Pete Johnson (48:26.304)
yeah. And so I go out and I'm running five minute pace. So Logan, who is kind of giving me advice and stuff at this point, was telling me, like, start out running sixty six thirty pace. And I was like, OK, you know, we'll see. Because like I wanted to do sixty five. And so I go out. I kind of.
Chris Detzel (48:50.722)
Yeah.
Pete Johnson (48:53.646)
I had the belief like I think I can go around five minute pace. And so I go out and it's still kind of like dark. We're starting like at 645. Like it's still Oh, beautiful day. It's like 40 degrees. Like no wind. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Super flat. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Chris Detzel (49:04.899)
It's a great day that day though. I ran Houston. It was an amazing day. And the course is perfect, you know. And and the people, I mean, just the whole thing is it's probably one of the best half or marathon or half marathons that we have in Texas plus, you know. Anyways, go ahead.
Pete Johnson (49:20.854)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, getting up there and like the starting line, I was starting right behind, you know, hopped on Samuel and these other guys. And I mean, the race environment is crazy. So I get out and not at all. So, yeah, get to the first mile. I kind of looked down at the watch, like just to see where we're at and
Chris Detzel (49:30.819)
That's awesome.
Chris Detzel (49:37.411)
Do you think you were gonna win it? Yeah, just joking.
Pete Johnson (49:50.541)
five minute pace. so at that point, I had a couple guys with me. And then by like two or three miles, like this group just naturally formed and there were 10 of us all together. And I'm like, this is perfect. And I didn't look at the watch at all. I just kind of looked up at the pace car some, cause there was a, it was funny cause there was a pace car for the woman. Cause I think the woman were like right ahead of us. And it was like, that was actually pretty cool to like have that as well.
Chris Detzel (49:52.365)
Perfect.
Chris Detzel (50:11.81)
Yeah.
Chris Detzel (50:16.822)
Okay.
That is awesome.
Pete Johnson (50:21.698)
But I would just look up and like see the time and I'd be like, all right, we're 20 minutes in. Like all I got is 45 minutes. Like that's all I got. So just, you know, keep, keep your head down, keep moving. And I, I felt really, really smooth, really comfortable, running the pace we were and really just had a good time. Like, I mean, these guys all around me are just, they're strangers. Like I don't know them at all.
Chris Detzel (50:29.025)
You got it. Yeah.
Pete Johnson (50:51.178)
and we're all like working together for the same goal. And like some of them would say like, let's go guys or like, come on guys, like, you know, good pace. And that, that in itself, I think was something I hadn't necessarily experienced in a race before because most of the time, you know, you're running a 5k, 8k, like it's, it's short.
Chris Detzel (50:51.523)
Yeah.
Chris Detzel (50:56.579)
That's great.
Pete Johnson (51:19.394)
and you're trying to beat the guy next to you. But this it's like, we're going to be doing it for a long time. Like, let's let's hype each other up. Yeah, like let's hype each other up. And so, you know, ended up ended up by 10 or 11 miles. The group kind of started breaking up. But then like we all finished, you know, within 30 seconds of each other, probably. And I mean, when I saw the clock, like I was
Chris Detzel (51:24.545)
Yeah, exactly. Let's be friends. Yeah.
Pete Johnson (51:49.295)
Honestly, disbelief, I was just super happy. It was 65, 11. Yeah.
Chris Detzel (51:55.332)
What was that time again in Houston? wow, you almost table four. Just think if you just run a little bit faster.
Pete Johnson (52:02.72)
Yeah, I know. I didn't really look at the watch at all during the race. yeah, like now when I'm trying to run five minute pace, like I can't even do it. So I'm like, I don't know how I did it for 13 miles.
Chris Detzel (52:07.981)
Yeah, still. That's awesome.
Chris Detzel (52:19.265)
Remedi.
Well, you know, it you're you're pumped up, you're ready to go, you're beautiful day, beautiful weather, you know, you're staying with these guys that are probably helping you, you know, get to, you know, the your maximum level effort, you know. I mean, it's just you did it, dude. Like your first one. That's your first. I mean, do you ever think about like the potential that you have? That's just your first. Just think, you know.
Pete Johnson (52:30.827)
Mm-hmm.
Pete Johnson (52:38.198)
yeah. Yeah.
Pete Johnson (52:44.433)
Yeah.
Pete Johnson (52:50.189)
Yeah.
Chris Detzel (52:52.023)
Maybe there's two or three minutes to shave off for a half marathon, you
Pete Johnson (52:54.54)
Yeah, yeah, which is a blow. yeah. Yeah, I mean, it blows my mind because when I think back to high school, you know, running like a five minute mile or something for a 5k was really tough. And now it's
Chris Detzel (52:56.803)
I'm not saying it won't be hard, but
Chris Detzel (53:13.325)
Dude, you ran a five minute mile for thirteen point one.
Pete Johnson (53:16.256)
Yeah, so...
Chris Detzel (53:18.947)
Did you hit any fours at all in there or were they all you did? Okay.
Pete Johnson (53:21.791)
Yeah, yeah, I quite a few. Yeah, towards the end, like one, maybe 455, 454. Yeah.
Chris Detzel (53:32.931)
Look at that man. Wow, that's exciting. So that what a great race. Well what a an amazing first half marathon, obviously. But and so you then were like, Okay, did you did you start thinking about doing the marathon at some point? Because you mentioned your coaches have talked to you about it and said you'd be great at it, that that kind of stuff.
Pete Johnson (53:55.885)
Yeah. Yeah, I think after running that half, I kind of knew like, look, my best shot probably at like the Olympic trials is going to be steeplechase or like the marathon. And like, obviously, the marathon running 216 is just it's so fast like that.
You know, that's a big challenge and a big mountain to climb, but I don't think it's impossible. And so when I kind of learned about CIM, this race that's in California in December, that last year, like over 50 guys ran under that trial qualifier, I knew that that would be like an experience similar to Houston.
And so.
Chris Detzel (54:54.551)
Dude, if you hit 216, it's gonna be way better than Houston. Trust me. That's the Olympic trials, you know, like that's that's gonna be up there, I think.
Pete Johnson (54:57.804)
Yeah, yeah
Pete Johnson (55:07.118)
Yeah, for sure. So yeah, I don't know. I've never done a marathon before. It's a long way. And especially when you're trying to run it, run it fast. And so I'm looking forward to it. I'm expectant. I'm going to do, you know, as much as I can, training wise and everything to make it there and be feeling good for the day.
Chris Detzel (55:36.917)
Now that you mentioned like Stephen Faye he is injured at the moment, but he's coming back and and I thought he told me that he was gonna do CIM as well. Does he plan on still doing that or do you know?
Pete Johnson (55:45.782)
Hmm. Yeah. Yeah, I think he's planning on it.
Chris Detzel (55:51.361)
He might be some good competition if if he can get his act together a little bit on the injuries, you know.
Pete Johnson (55:55.905)
yeah. Yeah. Hopefully, hopefully I'll get out there and we'll be able to run this thing together.
Chris Detzel (56:02.283)
Yeah, yeah. And there's there's a lot of really good athletes here in Dallas and and that have potential I think to maybe get to that two sixteen, you know, at some point. You could be the first that I know of, especially in this generation of runners, you know. in D F W anyways. I'm not saying they they haven't been D F W runners but you know, I don't know. And if they are they were back in the eighties or nineties.
Pete Johnson (56:13.486)
Thank
Pete Johnson (56:19.981)
Yeah.
Pete Johnson (56:23.469)
Mm-hmm.
Pete Johnson (56:29.998)
Yeah.
Chris Detzel (56:32.137)
You know, Rodney community has been around DFW for a long time and some really fast people, which is crazy to think. I mean, if you can you know, when you go to the Plano Pacers, some of those guys, they they could tell you all the guys. They'll tell you who they are, you know. just start talking to them and you'll be like, okay, I didn't know. They've been doing that thing, you know, Plano pacers for a long time, you know. So so you you went to
Pete Johnson (56:43.767)
Yeah.
huh. Yeah.
Pete Johnson (56:56.246)
Yeah.
Chris Detzel (57:01.155)
Frisco and you did a half marathon there. And what'd you get second place on that one or the half? Or Sergio B you? What'd you run in that one? What was your kind of thought process around that?
Pete Johnson (57:07.106)
Yeah. Yeah.
And that one was kind of odd. like, we ended up running like the first eight miles all together, pretty much we're running like 545, 50 pace. And then Sergio took off at eight. So he ran like 73, I think I was around 75 or something like that. Yeah, I, throughout kind of after after Houston, like February, March,
Chris Detzel (57:32.002)
Okay.
Pete Johnson (57:41.135)
I started to kind of get injured a little bit, like my groin and hip kind of just giving me some trouble. so training hadn't necessarily been the best leading up to that one in April. But I've been slowly back, you know, getting getting back and getting healthier. So.
Chris Detzel (58:06.679)
Yeah, you're feeling good now or
Pete Johnson (58:08.908)
Yeah, I'll still have you know, some pain here and there. But I also think that with running, like you're always going to experience some pain. And my philosophy in the past has been like, just keep running and it'll go away. It's taken a little bit longer. But I'm also getting older.
Chris Detzel (58:25.601)
Be careful. But I I went not that yeah. I mean what are you like 23 or something? So 24, super young still. all right, well what's your philosophy then going into the training? You know, when do you want to start really hitting it hard and you know, doing those kinds of things? And do you run with anybody?
Pete Johnson (58:34.208)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Pete Johnson (58:48.342)
Yeah. Yeah. So I'm going to be moving up to Tulsa here in a few weeks for my my new job. And then, yeah, I kind of haven't I've thought about, know, who I would ask to coach me along the way. I for the past year, I've kind of done my own thing.
Chris Detzel (58:59.661)
Nice.
Pete Johnson (59:17.262)
and loosely followed my old UCA coaches kind of training plan. At this point, you know, I've got quite a bit of experience. So like I know what works for me and what doesn't. And I think with the marathon, as long as I'm just getting a lot of miles in and being healthy, being consistent, then that's gonna get me to the place I need to be at.
It'll be, I think, challenging because I'm going to be starting a new job up in Tulsa in August. so that's that's going to add to things as well. Just because I'll have, you know, I'm working full time. so it's.
Chris Detzel (59:50.081)
Glask. Yeah.
Chris Detzel (01:00:00.578)
It's a good feeling though, isn't it? I mean
Pete Johnson (01:00:03.597)
Yeah.
Chris Detzel (01:00:04.621)
That's g that's awesome. I mean, you finished school and now you're you're gonna get a you get a job. So that's great.
Pete Johnson (01:00:06.135)
Yeah.
Pete Johnson (01:00:12.076)
Yeah, so I'm super excited. But I really think the biggest thing is just getting mileage in and I'll probably run one, two workouts a week and starting to get the long run further and further getting it down to where I can feel efficient at that pace. think I'd like to be able to do
a good bit of work at like sub race pace as well, you know, being able to run 440, 450s and for that to feel good as well. Yeah, just because like I think some people maybe neglect that when they're doing marathon training, but I really think if you're able to run 440, 450 pace and feel like smooth and efficient, like 511 pace is going to feel way easier.
and just feel.
Chris Detzel (01:01:11.551)
I agree. I think at your level y you you're you're not a normal runner. Like it's not a normal so I I I think you're right, you know, to be able to be at that pace you really have to make yourself a little bit uncomfortable during some of your training runs, you know.
Pete Johnson (01:01:16.76)
Yeah.
Pete Johnson (01:01:27.552)
Yeah, for sure.
Chris Detzel (01:01:30.503)
this is great, man. This is this is exciting for you. You know, two two big things. You get a new job coming up. Well, three things. Graduated school completely, finished that, got a job in Tulsa. I'm sure your mom is gonna miss you, you know, but it is what it is. and then you get a marathon coming up, you know, and and you know, big life changes, big opportunities. How how fun is that?
Pete Johnson (01:01:35.619)
Yeah.
Pete Johnson (01:01:46.629)
yeah. Yeah, I see well.
Pete Johnson (01:01:57.966)
Yeah.
Chris Detzel (01:01:59.032)
Is there anything that I missed kind of during this conversation that you're wish that you know I would have covered or that you would have s I mean, we covered a lot.
Pete Johnson (01:02:07.052)
Yeah, yeah, we did. We did get a lot in. Yeah, I just, I think that we pretty much hit all of our bases.
Chris Detzel (01:02:19.139)
Cool. Well, man, I I I can't wait to see what you do. I'll make sure to stay in touch. But so thank you everyone for tuning in to another DFW Running Talk. Make sure you go to DFW Running Talk.substack.com for the newsletter and rate and review us. Pete Johnson, everyone, potentially the fastest person in DFW, but he is moving to Tulsa. So I don't know if we can say that anymore. We'll see. Take care, Pete.
Pete Johnson (01:02:44.591)
Thanks so much for having me Chris. Yeah, you too.
