Chris Detzel (00:00.567)
All right, welcome to another DFW running talk. I'm Chris Depsel, and today is a little bit different than what we usually do. We have four ladies on. So Charlie Pells. Charlie, how are you?
Chris Detzel (00:16.003)
Good. Taylor Bretel. Taylor, how are you? great. Katie Durakishan. Katie, how are you?
Taylor Bretl (00:19.473)
Howdy, I'm great.
Katie Darakhshan (00:25.836)
Great.
Chris Detzel (00:27.779)
Are you shocked that I could say your last name?
Katie Darakhshan (00:29.698)
I was actually just mentally ver thinking how impressed I was. Very good.
Chris Detzel (00:33.433)
Yeah. Well I've said hi I've I've said your husband's name a lot and Jessica Campbell. Jessica, how are you?
Charli Pels (00:33.509)
Yeah, yeah.
Jessica Campbell (00:40.184)
Good. Happy to be here.
Chris Detzel (00:42.443)
Why is this so special? So just let me give people background and and maybe even y'all a little background because I just it was funny because I was talking to Maddie Steyer and Maddie was like, Chris, we have to do an episode or you have to do an episode with you know the the wives of some of these really fast runners. I was like, I don't know, maybe you'd think they would get on? She goes, Yeah, they would. I was like, all right, let's do it. And so she
emailed or Instagram all of you and said, Hey, you know, because all of your husbands have been on the podcast. And so we want to have a little fun with it. We want to kind of, you know, what I was thinking was, you know, a lot of the questions I ask are specifically around family and how you do it with spouses, but you know, we just want to fact check some of this stuff. You know, let's get your side of the story.
in some ways and then I want to get to know about more about you. So what we'll do is I'll ask some questions and I w this is not specific to anyone. and then we so so then you can just kind of speak up if that's fair. So let's let's try it. So again all of your husbands have been on DFW running talk. I've heard their versions as I'm as I mentioned. So let's settle it immediately. Who has the highest maintenance running husband here?
Taylor Bretl (02:06.535)
That's tough.
Katie Darakhshan (02:07.467)
That's hard.
Charli Pels (02:10.956)
Mine's more time maintenance, I would say. I mean there is no negotiations. He's running seven days a week, whether you like it or not. That's kind of pin.
Jessica Campbell (02:11.276)
Define high maintenance. Yeah.
Taylor Bretl (02:11.479)
Mm.
Chris Detzel (02:23.543)
Okay, all right, that's that's tough. That's serious.
Taylor Bretl (02:27.303)
That's not as serious. I gotta g go. Go ahead. No, go ahead, Katie, you're good.
Katie Darakhshan (02:31.436)
Say, go ahead, go ahead. I was just saying, I I never knew the word was high maintenance, but I believe Dustin does fit that category quite well. Like we were actually just talking tonight, and I saw another package on our doorstep, and I was like, like literally every day. And I'm like, I thought running was supposed to be free. Like that, isn't that the beauty of running? Isn't that why it like got so popular? Is it's it's free. You just move your legs.
But it's become this whole phenomenon and you know, but all of these things are like a need. So in that way, I do think he qualifies as a high maintenance bougie runner.
Chris Detzel (03:11.151)
Hundred percent.
Taylor Bretl (03:12.183)
Yeah.
I would say Eric is also pretty high maintenance. Is he the most high maintenance? I d I gotta give him some flowers for being a little bit flexible, compared to what Charlie was saying, but man, running takes over pretty much every element of our lives. So that's hard to argue.
Chris Detzel (03:22.681)
Flowers.
Katie Darakhshan (03:32.183)
Amen.
Jessica Campbell (03:33.923)
Yeah, I think if if if high maintenance is measured in the number of boxes showing up at the door, whether it be shoes, the nutrition, you know, all the swag, then yes. I would say Matt i also, you know, wants to run seven days a week, but we've gotten better about like communicating about, okay, you know, if if something is going on one day, we can be flexible to shift time or
you know, God forbid not run that day. It does happen. It does happen.
Katie Darakhshan (04:07.02)
Ha ha
Taylor Bretl (04:07.399)
Careful. Careful.
Chris Detzel (04:07.664)
So Jessica, I remember
I remember Matt Stan to me, he goes, I'm gonna go run now. Did I forget to tell you? So he said he used to do that. Now he feels like he's better at the communicating part, you know. So this is you just get better over time, I think. go ahead, Jessica.
Jessica Campbell (04:23.64)
Yeah.
no, I mean I think going back to the shoes, he also has said, you know, basically, in our marriage, I'm basically allowed to do whatever I want as long as I let him buy running shoes. So you know, I can buy buy w not do whatever I want. I can buy whatever I want as long as he can buy running shoes. I said, Okay, that's fine.
Katie Darakhshan (04:36.95)
Wow. That's
Chris Detzel (04:37.198)
Yeah.
Katie Darakhshan (04:44.554)
That's a good trade-off.
Taylor Bretl (04:45.095)
Fair trade off.
Chris Detzel (04:47.642)
So which husband talks about the workout the longest after the workout is already over?
Taylor Bretl (04:55.033)
Y'all have some stiff competition with Eric on that one. It is he is talking workout pre-workout. He's talking workout post workout. Gotta do all the time to catch up on Strava. You gotta do all the time to text the group back about the workout you just did.
Charli Pels (05:14.69)
No, I feel that too. It's he'll he'll come home after you know being gone for
Taylor Bretl (05:15.483)
Doozy.
Charli Pels (05:19.588)
few hours rushing to get the kids ready for school and sitting on his phone. He's gotta check Strava, he's gotta see what everyone else did. He's gotta see his stats, which but I do think it's really sweet that especially the sloth group that Jeff runs with, I mean, they care so much so much about each other and what they're all doing. And half the time he's telling me he's like, my gosh, did you see Matt just ran this? Did you see so and so just this So while it is
Katie Darakhshan (05:28.908)
Mm.
Taylor Bretl (05:46.535)
Mm-hmm.
Charli Pels (05:49.515)
time consuming I think it is very nice that they're it's more caring about each other and what kind of the how their workout went too.
Taylor Bretl (05:58.832)
One hundred percent.
Chris Detzel (06:03.376)
Who do you think is kind of the most unbearable during a taper week?
Chris Detzel (06:13.914)
No comments? Is that
Katie Darakhshan (06:16.322)
I know Dustin gets very moody when he's because you know he's had two, gosh, the name inguinal hernia or whatever. He had that surgery on that a year ago. And then at one year later, he did the other side, same surgery. And so this is more on the injury side, but taper week, like they kind of all go hand in hand of like when you're not running, there is heck to pay.
That's all I'll say there. He genuinely needs it as like a mood booster, you know? I mean, and I think once you become accustomed to running, your day just feels a little bit unfulfilled. If you don't whether it's running or something else, if you're not able to get that exercise in, it feels like your day is just all thrown off. So
Taylor Bretl (07:06.019)
Yeah. Especially when they're at that point they're running eighty, ninety, a hundred plus miles a week. And so at that point it's taken so much time to just like cut that down so drastically to taper. I feel like the stir craziness, like I would get it to. I have in my minimal by comparison training, let alone if I were doing that much in a week. So
Charli Pels (07:29.774)
And then I think then they are just focusing on the race too. And so then they're getting in their head about that. I mean, whenever it's taper week, Jeff's just stress of, should I hit this number? So-and-so is telling me to go out this. I mean, that's all he's talking about. versus, you know, kind of just focusing on the true running part of it. So I think that's kind of the struggle too. I just I hear about the plan nonstop every single day.
Chris Detzel (07:56.592)
Do they ever kinda man my calf is hurting or something's hurting during that, you know, last week or two of that ra you know, the race that's going up. Do y'all hear that a lot? I mean, that happens to me a lot.
Jessica Campbell (08:04.008)
Mm-hmm.
Charli Pels (08:12.048)
I was saying I've had that, you know, the phantom, my goodness, something's hurting. How am I gonna race on Sunday? I mean, it's it's very mental in my opinion.
Jessica Campbell (08:13.836)
Me too, yeah.
Taylor Bretl (08:22.151)
Mm-hmm.
Katie Darakhshan (08:22.978)
Totally.
Jessica Campbell (08:24.366)
Yeah, it's like Charlie said, I think it's a combination of it's a combination of coming down from the running, but then at the same time starting to get very nervous about the race. So it's kinda like compounding on each other.
Taylor Bretl (08:38.331)
Yeah.
Chris Detzel (08:38.468)
I just think to myself, you've run a hundred plus miles every week. This 26.2, no problem.
Katie Darakhshan (08:47.131)
Yeah, exactly.
Taylor Bretl (08:47.835)
It's a good mindset. It's a good mindset. I think to Katie's point, if people have been burned too, like Katie, you said, you know, Dustin had a last minute thing go awry, right? And that really throws him and Eric I know had a right before Boston wore some new shoes, messed up his foot, couldn't run Boston. And I think that like fear kind of just clings now every taper week a little bit as you're like, last time I actually was injured, you know, and so what if it happens again? And I so it's built on validity for sure.
Chris Detzel (08:49.901)
I mean
Chris Detzel (09:20.208)
Who you think handles a bad race the worst?
That's a good question. You have to admit. What happens?
Katie Darakhshan (09:26.914)
That's a good one.
Jessica Campbell (09:30.937)
Think it I think Matt internalizes it for himself, but I I think going back to like what Charlie was saying with the community, like I think Matt will feel bummed for himself, but ultimately he'll get a lot of joy from seeing other people have done well at the race. so it is nice that he's not usually not the only one running a race, usually at least one of his friends who will have run the same race. so that can kind of nicely like balance it.
Katie Darakhshan (09:48.386)
Mm-hmm.
Charli Pels (10:00.91)
Yeah, I agree. But on the flip of that too, I guess it was Boston, maybe it was twenty twenty four, and a bunch of the guys had really good races and Jeff had a horrible race and he just could not get out of his head of how did all of them how did they do so well and I did not. We all trained together. but to your point too, he was so excited for everyone, but he's just like, Why did it not happen for me?
Jessica Campbell (10:11.766)
Mm.
Jessica Campbell (10:24.909)
Sure.
Charli Pels (10:27.822)
It's just you never know what the day is gonna bring for each person.
Katie Darakhshan (10:31.906)
Well, and there's also so many variables, you know. I mean, we we've had races where Dustin's a little bit like congested. And to me, I'm like, I've never run a full. So I'm like, well, you're just congested. But when you're congested for twenty six point two, I mean, that can make or break you, you know, or the weather. Like one year he did New York and it was, I think, the hottest year on record for the New York marathon.
Taylor Bretl (10:51.28)
Yeah.
Katie Darakhshan (10:58.166)
And I was like, it's amazing for spectators. I'm like out here in my shorts, you know, in November. But for runners, like the weather can really make or break you too. And then it's like all that hype up and you're just bummed. so
Jessica Campbell (11:00.515)
Right.
Taylor Bretl (11:13.379)
Yeah. I think just we were talking about Houston several years ago and we were spectating together with Matt and it was fun and with Taylor Murphy. and it was a great time, but it was a hot race. And I think like we remember we were just like at each point ready for them to hit it at their goal time, and none of them were hitting it basically, except for good old Jennifer was crushing it, but you were just watching folks drop off from their goal and
Charli Pels (11:37.871)
Mm-hmm.
Taylor Bretl (11:41.414)
And it is so disheartening to watch after their training. But to Charlie's point, I think it's almost tougher when it you can't blame an external factor like the weather that everybody can all blame at once, you know? That was an easy year for them to be like, we all kind of had a bad race and then we can all kind of sit in this misery together. If it's just you, like if it's the congestion or something. Gosh, that's it's so hard to hype up after that. They do a good job to everyone's point. They do a really great job of getting excited about each other, but
Katie Darakhshan (12:03.33)
You know.
Jessica Campbell (12:10.85)
Yeah. I mean, I've had some experiences being on the spectating side of seeing Matt struggling. Like we talked about Chicago, you know, a few years ago where it was perfect weather, it was perfect conditions, but he just cramped up at a certain mile and, you know, couldn't do any more. It's so hard spectating. I just like I would try to see him and like pump him up. Come on, come on. And there's like nothing you can do. So it's almost harder being the spectator sometimes.
Taylor Bretl (12:10.971)
That is a bummer.
Taylor Bretl (12:22.119)
Mm-hmm.
Katie Darakhshan (12:37.068)
Yeah.
Taylor Bretl (12:37.171)
Yeah.
Charli Pels (12:37.712)
Well, and then you have all the family members texting you saying, What's going on? You know, why is it why isn't he at this point at this and I'm like, I don't know, he's having a hard day. I mean, you try to go out there and run that pace, which is insane to me. So
Jessica Campbell (12:41.602)
Yeah.
Katie Darakhshan (12:42.134)
Yeah.
Jessica Campbell (12:47.499)
Yeah, yeah.
Taylor Bretl (12:52.228)
No kidding.
Katie Darakhshan (12:52.319)
I know.
Chris Detzel (12:54.832)
So when some of you get on the call or on the podcast before we started, I started hearing a little around community and how some of you have built some relationships with each each other. Can someone or can we talk a little bit about that and what that looks like?
Taylor Bretl (13:13.169)
I'll jump in with that. I will say Eric and I's core friend group here in Texas. So we moved from here from Wisconsin eight years ago, and our core friend group is built on runners. like Eric running with folks, especially during a time when you know COVID hit and it was hard to see folks and all that. That really was such a great thing to bring people together. It's become our core and closest group of friends, and then it means that his hobby becomes my hobby.
Because I get to spectate with people like Jess, right? and I hope Charlie and Katie will get to be out there together too. Like I know Jess and I have done a handful of them, but to be able to say, like, hey, we've got this group and we can meet up and we can all cheer in the celebration for our people together and be watching out for each other's spouse and all of our other friends who are running, it is a community like no other. And I am so grateful for it. So
Katie Darakhshan (14:05.472)
It's awesome. Yeah, I would say, I mean, I love the community because it's such a healthy, positive hobby. And I feel like runners in particular, you just live life a little bit differently. Like the positivity that people feel in the way, you know what I mean? And I will say spectating is a lot of fun. Like, what race was it, Charlie, that we literally wore sloth costumes last year? Where was that?
Charli Pels (14:32.909)
Chris Detzel (14:33.53)
That's good.
Katie Darakhshan (14:34.966)
Houston? No. I don't know. well okay. So we we were
Charli Pels (14:37.272)
No, I ran it. I don't I don't remember. Yeah, all of us decided to wear full on sloth onesies and it was Yeah. And the kids too.
Katie Darakhshan (14:46.268)
And our kids. Yes. It was so fun. And it's just so fun to like cheer for other people and to feel like you're a part of something because even though running is an individual sport, it's still nice to have that community. Otherwise it can be a little bit more lonely and it brings people together, which is great.
Taylor Bretl (15:05.799)
Hundred percent.
Charli Pels (15:06.192)
Well and I always joke that I'm the reason that Jeff and Dustin met too originally. Because, you know, moms and wives, I feel like a lot of times we're the bigger connectors sometimes. And so the Drokshawn's had their son Camden was at the same daycare as our son, and work got around that they were runners and this whole thing. And so I started just going up to Katie and Dustin, I was like,
Katie Darakhshan (15:18.721)
Yeah.
Charli Pels (15:29.806)
You've gotta be my husband, we've all gotta get together and start running. And I mean, that was years ago. And now our boys are best friends and we're we live three streets down from each other. I mean, it's the best. We get to see each other and all get to run together all the time.
Katie Darakhshan (15:34.465)
Yeah.
Okay.
Katie Darakhshan (15:40.769)
Yeah.
Katie Darakhshan (15:44.545)
Yeah.
Taylor Bretl (15:45.339)
Sorry.
Chris Detzel (15:48.24)
Jessica, so Matt told me that family, work, and running are his three pillars. From your perspective, has there ever been like a fourth pillar called maybe Matt's running schedule?
Jessica Campbell (15:53.888)
Okay.
Jessica Campbell (16:03.118)
I mean, I guess I would get in with running. I will say, like, when we first, so the story of Matt Running is I think, you know, he's been on the podcast, like you said, kind of got into running basically in like 2019, 2020, is when he became a little bit more serious about running. And at the time he said, Jess, don't worry. I'm only ever gonna run half marathons. Like, don't you don't have to worry. I have no desire to run a full. I'll never run a full.
And then fast forward to we moved to Dallas six years ago, like September of 2020. And then he quickly found like some running group friends, was great, was getting more into it. And a couple months later he's like, well, I think I'm gonna sign up for a full marathon. And that was the beginning. So I will say at the beginning, I think it was a little bit of growing pains of like, you know, this Saturday long run.
Chris Detzel (16:45.219)
How this works.
Jessica Campbell (17:00.558)
At the time we had like two very young children. So we were like really in the thick of it. and he was getting home, you know, quite late from a Saturday long run. and so it was a little bit of a growing pain. Like I said, that's why I said communication, like, you know, you know, what time are you getting back? Let's, you know, you need to start earlier if you want to do this, because you know, it's not okay that, you know, you're getting home at this time.
So yeah, I mean I think that's that's been the main thing that I think we've learned through the la the last few years is just like let's communicate about what time you're gonna be gone and as long as long as I know I'm okay. But yeah, that was the famous promise. Don't worry, I I won't do a full marathon. And now we're, you know, however many marathons, leader of a run club, running coach later, you know, here we are.
Katie Darakhshan (17:43.082)
Because those runs can go long.
Chris Detzel (17:53.263)
Coach.
Katie Darakhshan (17:55.724)
Throttle. I would love it.
Chris Detzel (17:59.546)
So Katie, Dustin went from two hundred and thirty-five pounds and unable to run a mile to a two hundred thirty-four four marathon. At what point did you realize, okay, this has got to be serious?
Katie Darakhshan (18:06.924)
Yeah.
Katie Darakhshan (18:10.38)
Well, what's crazy is he will tell you he ran in high school and was very competitive, but then he said he started drinking beer. So he kind of stopped running, you know how it is. But yeah, so in COVID, I mean, kind of similar to what Jessica was just sharing, you know, that is what kicked it off. And he just decided one day he woke up and said, I need to take action for my life. He wasn't at a healthy place at that point.
Charli Pels (18:18.949)
Yeah.
Chris Detzel (18:18.999)
Yeah, that helps.
Katie Darakhshan (18:38.442)
And we had a newborn at that point. It was our second kiddo. He was, I think, just a month old at that point. And he just started doing all these races and running around the neighborhood. And his dad was a huge runner as well. And so it's very, very inspiring because he's it's almost frustrating how good he is. Like he's the guy that could not train. He does train a ton, but if he didn't train, he could still go run a marathon.
And I'm like getting gassed after three miles, you know. But yeah, it's amazing what how far he's come and the healthy changes that he's made in his life. A lot of it is thanks to running.
Chris Detzel (19:09.538)
Yeah.
Chris Detzel (19:19.919)
Hundred percent. I mean, I I I feel like running is it's changed my life and it and it and it just pushes me just well not just stay skinnier, right? You know, but it helps me to stay healthy and helps me to think about my health from a what what do what do I eat? It gives me energy. I mean, it just it just helps in a thousand different ways. It helps it's it's probably I think it helps me be a better husband, a dad, and all of these other things, you know.
Katie Darakhshan (19:38.354)
Yeah.
Katie Darakhshan (19:45.442)
For sure.
Chris Detzel (19:48.1)
Look, I mean, it doesn't have to be running. I mean, just exercise in general on a consistent basis, I think is really kind of the key at the end of the day. so Charlie, Jeff said life with two working parents and two kids is cons constant chaos. What does getting a 70 to 90 mile week into that chaos actually require from you?
Taylor Bretl (19:52.059)
Mm-hmm.
Charli Pels (20:10.896)
It it's been a lot, I will say that. the mornings, I mean like I mentioned earlier, Jeff likes to run every single day. he'll maybe take a a day off here and there. And especially for me, to your point, I mean I'm a big runner as well. I love to work out, so trying to figure out time between the two of us is very difficult. We've kind of tried to have that more communication aspect like Jessica was talking about, but
But we have designated days where I get to run earlier and then he will figure it out whether he's running during lunch or or what have you. But a lot of times, I mean most mornings he's doing his run, he's showering.
getting ready by 7 15. I've already gotten up by six, gotten the kids dressed, made lunches. So it's kind of been mornings have fallen on me, which I think that's just the time of our life right now, and I've accepted that, but it's been hard. It's been a struggle for sure. But I see how much he loves it and I see the community he's built. And so I mean I want to encourage him. He's done so well the last few years. If this is his passion and this is the
thing that drives me crazy that he's gonna be running longer in the morning, then I will give it to him. And he's such a good dad, such a good husband. So I'm like, if this is what you really need to make you happy, then I will get up early, I will help the kids in the morning and we'll figure it out.
Chris Detzel (21:46.381)
Anybody else wanna chime in on that particular question? I've got one for you specifically, Taylor, so don't
Taylor Bretl (21:53.66)
I I will agree with you. I think that like that's just kind of become our norm is and I I'm in maybe in a different position. Our kid was born into the running life, right? And so but mornings are mine. Like I know mornings are my job with the kiddo. Like runs are in the morning. And I'm I think it to Charlie's point, right, to support them in that and for them to do their best to make it work and fit within the schedule is great.
Chris Detzel (22:20.911)
So I needed an official rolling on this mustache, Taylor. So Eric told me you approved it over the summer. I don't know if it was this summer or last summer, but it was just I was like, wow. And then when I saw him another time, he didn't have anything, I didn't even recognize him.
Taylor Bretl (22:36.227)
Yeah, no, I'm into the mustache, I must admit. I am I like it. He's been growing it out off and on since shaving the mustache, and I'm like, I think I'm partial to the mustache. I weirdly do. I don't know. y'all can judge from afar, and that's okay. when we first had our son two and a half years ago, he was like, It's dad mode time, shaved the stash. then it kind of became a thing. Eric's whole thing on runs is to like where
Chris Detzel (22:52.313)
Ha ha ha.
Taylor Bretl (23:05.425)
Some kind of ridiculous garb. He's wearing the absolute shortest shorts, the brightest visor, and a stash at minimum. and so I think it just goes so well with his personality. I think he pulls it off. Well, I'm here I'm here for the mustache. It can stay. He's not lying.
Katie Darakhshan (23:21.472)
Yeah.
Jessica Campbell (23:23.982)
Can I share real quick, Matt, his first impression of Eric? Well, I don't know. He shared with this with me later. He goes, Yeah, when I first saw Eric, he was kind of like, you know, more muscular, like built, and he had all these tattoos. And I was like, you know, like, you know, serious, tough guy or whatever. And then I got close and I realized all the tattoos were Harry Potter tattoos. And I was like, okay. Exactly.
Taylor Bretl (23:28.234)
my gosh, please do. I don't know this.
Chris Detzel (23:47.16)
Yeah.
Taylor Bretl (23:48.439)
He's a certified nerd for sure.
Chris Detzel (23:51.844)
my goodness. I did not know that.
Katie Darakhshan (23:53.366)
Use it.
Taylor Bretl (23:55.024)
Yeah, he is he is an anomaly and like he doesn't look like he's built to be a runner. He looks like he's built to be kind of like tough and macho, but he's just not. He's a softy he is.
Jessica Campbell (24:05.794)
No, he's a sweet, sweet guy, yeah.
Chris Detzel (24:09.167)
And I've heard many stories from some of the slots, you know, around Eric helping people out, you know, going riding a scooter. I don't know, just making sure people, you know, get where they need to go if somebody got hurt or you know, things like that. So sounds like a really nice guy. and he did tell a couple of stories on so we spent a lot of time talking about how the men manage their careers, fatherhood, fast running, and all that kind of stuff sometimes.
Taylor Bretl (24:25.616)
He's a good one.
Chris Detzel (24:36.451)
What gets missed is we don't ask the same questions from the moms in this case. So let's let's dive into some of that. I want to spend a little bit deeper kind of questions around that. So what's harder about being a mother who runs with with these husbands who are supportive, probably not what do they might not fully understand about this kind of demanding type stuff that you're you're doing as a mother?
Does that make sense?
Charli Pels (25:08.612)
I mean, I think what everyone talks about all the time, the mental load is huge for any mom. and I think no matter how incredible of a husband or dad you are, you will
Understand it. I mean it's that, at least in my opinion, it is okay, two weeks from now is field trip, is that signed? Do we have pants that are gonna fit us for fall? I mean, is an appointment set up for your next checkup? I mean, just things like that. at least in my household, that's kind of fallen on me. and it's just like kind of another element of it. But maybe it's also kind of my type A personality that I've got to make sure all of it's done.
Katie Darakhshan (25:55.029)
No, it's that's legit. I mean, the the mental load for most women, and moms specifically, is a lot. Like, even for us, we're leaving on a trip tomorrow. And I'm like, every time I pack for a trip and try to do everything, I'm like, I forgot like clothes for myself because I was thinking about packing for three people, you know? and so I do think the mental aspect is is huge. I just try to make as many lists as possible.
Chris Detzel (26:15.939)
Yeah.
Chris Detzel (26:27.417)
Anybody else? It's kind of a harder question. I mean.
Jessica Campbell (26:29.89)
I think just what was said before, like taking care of the mornings, you know, I think you know, I think there can be maybe a misconception, like, I'm running before everyone gets up. So like my running is not inconveniencing anyone. It was like, well, yes, but I got up and did all the things and then you roll in and then roll them out to go to school. Like there was there was effort that went into getting them ready for school while you were gone. So just little stuff like that. But it's I mean it's it's fine.
Katie Darakhshan (26:46.557)
Ha ha ha.
Charli Pels (26:59.694)
there have been many of times he's like, Well, I took them to school. Like, yes, you took I mean the five minutes driving them to school, yes. But the hour before that was substantial. Yes. But I appreciate you for that.
Katie Darakhshan (27:05.088)
Yeah.
Jessica Campbell (27:07.352)
Yes, yes. Check. Got that. Did that. Awesome.
Taylor Bretl (27:07.503)
That's the easy part.
Taylor Bretl (27:11.975)
Well.
Taylor Bretl (27:15.333)
Yeah. I think too to I mean Justin Charlie made this point earlier, but I think a lot of the just like the schedule and knowing it and talking it through ahead of time is so essential so that those things don't get forgotten. It's not forgotten that, you know, we are doing most of the morning shift and that it's also not forgotten that we have ninety things on our brain at any given time and they are juggling a lot with their running schedule too, and I know that, but to leave space for us to
Katie Darakhshan (27:15.349)
I know.
Taylor Bretl (27:43.117)
add a little bit extra to their plate when we need to. I think it's just it's all about communicating it. That makes it ten times easier if they're good at that.
Chris Detzel (27:54.564)
And and and I like getting some of this out. And the reason is because, you know, if we just hear it from our wife, just one, you know, one person that this thing is going, you know, you're talking about all the things that you do and and all that stuff, it might not come through, but when you hear it from everyone, all the women that were going some through some of this, I think it to me it puts it in perspective, right? You know, and so I think that's important. have any of you ever felt like guilty for
Your own run because there's kids' activities, laundry, work, or a hundred other things. Anybody wanna comment on that?
Taylor Bretl (28:32.299)
last year I was training for a half marathon. Also never done a full to whoever said that earlier. and Eric was training for a full okay. Yeah. and Eric was training for a full at the time. And I will I mean, I'm significantly slower, so like it also takes me a lot longer to do these runs that take Eric next to no time. Like he's like, I'm just gonna do quick three miles. I'm like, cool, cool, cool. I hate you so much. quick, what do you mean? but
Chris Detzel (28:39.119)
Can you?
Chris Detzel (28:56.151)
Yeah.
Taylor Bretl (28:59.939)
I will say I felt a lot of guilt then. And I think to Charlie's point, it's a lot of that mental load that nobody will really understand is like I'm gonna feel that regardless of how great of a dad and how involved Eric is and how much I know he's got it. I feel guilty for taking that much time for myself doing anything. And that was a hard season when we were both training for races and it was ships in the night and it was you take the kid, now I take the kid, and it was not a lot of we take the kid, and that was difficult.
it was a season and we knew there was an end, but that part was tough.
Katie Darakhshan (29:34.465)
I also think running is so mental. Like it's hard for me to focus on the run if I'm thinking about. Like I remember one of my first runs ever, postpartum. I had like one of those baby cameras that's hooked up to your phone and I forgot to close out the app. So the whole time I was running, I had my music and then I kept hearing a baby cry. And I was like, What? What? What? Am I like going crazy?
Chris Detzel (29:54.809)
Taylor Bretl (29:56.494)
no.
Katie Darakhshan (29:59.105)
And then I realized I was like, I gotta get out of this app because then the the triggers, you know, to pe like hear your baby crying, even though Dustin totally had it. But I was I can't focus on my very slow run. I'm with you, Taylor. I'm like slow, but I'll get there. I'll get there.
Chris Detzel (30:08.388)
Yeah.
Taylor Bretl (30:14.689)
Yeah. But the cortisol spike was hearing that baby cry, you're like and not relaxed.
Katie Darakhshan (30:19.138)
Exactly.
Chris Detzel (30:23.151)
So how do you go ahead.
Jessica Campbell (30:23.778)
actually gonna say a hot take here. Can I take a hot take? I don't feel guilty about running. I'm not gonna feel guilty about it. Like I I I I I will I will frame it, yeah. I will frame it as I might be cognizant of time. So I will say like, you know, on Sundays I do my long run. and then Matt will typically run after so he can like sleep in on a Sunday. And so I am cognizant of like being
Katie Darakhshan (30:26.646)
We love a hot take.
Taylor Bretl (30:26.919)
Please do.
Charli Pels (30:31.152)
I was gonna say the same thing. I mean, I mean I need to.
Katie Darakhshan (30:31.402)
Let's see yell.
Katie Darakhshan (30:39.339)
Mm-hmm.
Jessica Campbell (30:51.724)
responsible for the amount of time that I'm taking. but like in general in our schedule, you know, these are my days that I'm running, these are the times that I'm running and it's my running time. Like I'm not gonna feel bad about it. Yeah.
Katie Darakhshan (31:00.896)
Yeah.
I also think that's a really healthy mindset because you're literally gonna be a better mom and a better wife when you run, you know, because you're putting yourself first for once, which is so great.
Taylor Bretl (31:07.057)
Mm-hmm.
Taylor Bretl (31:16.903)
I'm gonna channel that Jess. I'm gonna channel more of that.
Katie Darakhshan (31:18.944)
Yeah.
Jessica Campbell (31:20.856)
But okay, so my kids are older though. So my kids are t seven and ten. So I totally understand. Like toddler I think is different. and you know, little baby of course, different. yeah, my kids were fine without me for a couple hours. They'll survive.
Katie Darakhshan (31:27.392)
Yeah.
Taylor Bretl (31:34.801)
That's fair.
Katie Darakhshan (31:34.892)
Yeah.
Chris Detzel (31:37.135)
It's lot easier. it's never easy, but and and I think that Jessica that that mindset should be all of your mindsets, but that's not always the reality, right? So how do you decide who gets priority when both people are training?
Katie Darakhshan (31:45.196)
Mm.
Jessica Campbell (31:46.37)
Yeah. Yeah.
Katie Darakhshan (31:56.801)
The only I I feel like Dustin gets the mornings. The only time that I get annoyed is, you know, he'll be like, I'm going to the track on Tuesday. So I I need the morning. And I'm like, okay, great. And then like today we woke up. Now I'm gonna roast him. And I was like, Why are you in bed? And he's like, I slept in today. And I was like, So I could have gone. So those are the only times that like, you know, if you say you're gonna get the morning, you gotta go, which he ninety-five percent of the time does.
but usually I give him the priority because his running is like my schedule is more flexible right now than his. So I don't know about anybody else.
Taylor Bretl (32:38.107)
Yeah, I tend to just default to Eric. I'm less of a frequent runner. I so to me, I think he's so dedicated to it. He's got multiple goals to be hitting. He's got specific groups who are running at specific times. Like my schedule can be more flexible too. So I don't usually mind conceding to that. We did have a big when we were both training for like an actual race. It was Saturday long runs are his, Sunday long runs are mine. And if one of us needs the other day, it had to be like communicated far enough in advance.
So we could come up with alternative plans, but
Katie Darakhshan (33:10.839)
Yeah.
Charli Pels (33:13.39)
Yeah, we do similar. Runs Saturday, I run Sunday. I get Wednesday mornings because track Tuesday is non negotiable, no matter what. sometimes I'll get Fridays if he's feeling feeling nice, but it just kinda depends.
Chris Detzel (33:14.009)
So the
Taylor Bretl (33:22.961)
True.
Chris Detzel (33:32.047)
So do any of the kids understand what PRs are or race times? You know, did mom win or did dad win? Do you know, what what do they kinda know about that kind of stuff?
Jessica Campbell (33:43.789)
Yeah, I actually have a cute story about that. So we got we brought the girls out to watch Matt actually run and then he won Cowtown. and that was really special. So for them to be able to like see him like in the lead with the cars, and this is the first time that ever happened. But I was telling them, you know, he he he did one and it was amazing, but he
Chris Detzel (33:58.041)
Solid. That was awesome.
Jessica Campbell (34:11.33)
didn't run like as fast as he wanted to. So I was trying to explain, you know, like, he was going for this time and you know, he got that time and I forget the numbers, but you know, I was like, he's, you know, trying to break two thirty. He wants to break two thirty at one point. well, two forty is close to two thirty. That sounds great. You know, so kids are like, Yes, they understand, but like kids' sense of numbers and times and things, like they don't really understand.
Katie Darakhshan (34:29.588)
Okay.
Katie Darakhshan (34:35.841)
Yeah.
Jessica Campbell (34:39.168)
and then that was such a special thing for them to see him win a race. But like usually you do not win a race. And like me certainly, you know, I'll I'll have finished a race. They're like, did you win? I'm like, no. Like, I didn't even win my age group. Like, no. but they see us work. I think it's so important for your kids though to see, you know, parents working at something, you know, especially something physical to stay physically active. And even just teaching them, like, you know, it's
Katie Darakhshan (34:50.121)
Yeah.
Jessica Campbell (35:08.212)
not about winning and losing, it's just about doing your best, you know, which is such a great lesson for kids to learn.
Katie Darakhshan (35:15.564)
I also, it's funny you say that, Jessica, because my daughter has literally asked after races if I won as well, which I don't think I will ever, I know I probably will not ever win a race, but because they have, you know, fathers who have done that, you know, they think it's a legitimate question. But our daughter, she actually has run a 10K before. And because it was her first 10K, you know, she talked about PRing. And I'm like, okay, you're nine and you're talking.
Jessica Campbell (35:43.938)
Yeah.
Katie Darakhshan (35:44.736)
PRs like that. I don't know whether to be like impressed or scared. Like, wow. I know. Yeah. So, but it's it's awesome. It's a lot harder than I was ever running at that age, you know.
Chris Detzel (35:45.231)
That's great.
Chris Detzel (35:58.618)
So one of the things that Jessica brought up and that was one of my questions, but was that around, you know, you're you're both runners, you're both doing these things, and this really teaches the kids a lot of things. And and I've been a big fan of that, you know, with my son. He's not a runner. He's 16 now and he played he's in band, but he's hard working at band. All he does is think about, you know, the band, you know, like it's it's so it's kind of crazy. But you know, how important do you think that is to kind of teach your kids that
know is whether it's running or you know something to be consistent at to not always quit. It's okay to say, you know, in my opinion, if you're in soccer and you you're begging to be in a soccer, you know, be in in in soccer, and then you want to quit, well you're not gonna quit this season because you begged me to be in soccer. You're just not. You know, that's but we don't have to do soccer after this. We can do something else or whatever. You know what I mean? And and so to me it's about the consistency.
Katie Darakhshan (36:52.385)
Mm-hmm.
Chris Detzel (36:57.261)
It's about teaching your kids to when they start something, they probably should this is my opinion. There's always circumstances. I don't wanna offend anybody, but the point is for the most part, you know, you're sticking with it until it that season is over. You know, and and I think I feel like running does that for me and and has done that, you know, my son's seen consistency, you know. Any thoughts around kind of that?
Katie Darakhshan (37:18.999)
Mm.
Charli Pels (37:22.862)
No, I mean I completely
Jessica Campbell (37:23.438)
Agree, that's been our policy too. Yeah. Go ahead, Charlie. Sorry.
Charli Pels (37:27.124)
no, I was just gonna say I completely agree. If you start something, you finish it. But my other thing is too, I want to make sure you enjoy it. So, you know, if you decide this doesn't bring you joy, you know what? Next season we won't do it and we'll sit out. our son loves soccer so much, we tried indoor for a bit, and he just he dreaded going to indoor games for whatever reason. He loves outdoor and I said, you know what, okay, well then we'll stop. And it was the best thing. And then he just focuses on other other aspects of it. But
Chris, I like that of you already made this commitment to your team, you'll finish the season, and then you can choose something else.
Katie Darakhshan (38:04.962)
Mm-hmm.
Chris Detzel (38:06.191)
They don't have to do everything. Like it's it's fine. You can stop doing it, you know. It's not like but I d I've always told my son, I was like, You're gonna do something. You know, you're in high school now, you're doing something. I don't care what it is, you don't have to be athletics. But he and he does. He's eight hours a day, it seems like I remember, you know, if if your kids ever get into like band, it's crazy for six or four or five weeks straight, right before s during the summer, right before school starts.
Katie Darakhshan (38:14.284)
Yeah.
And it's
Chris Detzel (38:34.497)
Eight hours a day, Monday through Friday, they're outside doing band. It's called band camp. But I'm like, band camp or just like I don't know, but point is he loves it. Like he's obsessed. It's like good.
Katie Darakhshan (38:45.099)
Mm-hmm.
Charli Pels (38:46.456)
So band is so much and I mean they are there before school practicing and then they're there in their hot uniform too. That is so much to put on then. I mean, that's incredible.
Taylor Bretl (38:47.266)
Love that.
Chris Detzel (38:51.915)
Same, yeah.
Katie Darakhshan (38:53.814)
Yeah.
Jessica Campbell (38:54.318)
That's hard.
Taylor Bretl (38:55.333)
Yeah, that's good discipline. Yeah.
Chris Detzel (38:57.835)
Yeah. And so, you know, he's he's doing well. But I I think that's kind of the the lesson. What is something from maybe running or something like that that you're proud of that you've accomplished?
Chris Detzel (39:14.231)
Could be a PR, could be a you know, I don't know. So you ran this thing that was all place.
Charli Pels (39:20.176)
I mean, I guess I'll go. so I mean, when Jeff and I met in college, he got me into running because he ran for TCU at the time and convinced me to do my first kind of 10K. And I ran with the running group for years before we had kids. And I was very dedicated. And I could never break a two-hour half marathon.
I mean, I ran probably eight of them. I ran three marathons and then eight halves. And I was just so mental. And I swear, after I had kids and became more mentally tough somehow, I mean, I've now never not run under a two-hour half.
Katie Darakhshan (40:00.032)
It's awesome.
Charli Pels (40:01.093)
Which just kind of blew my mind. And I'm doing less training, but it's like your mindset's different for me. You have these different goals. Your time is so much more valuable. So I mean, I've been really excited about that. And I think it's also just as Jeff's Jeff's running has evolved, mine has too. And so it's been really fun for both of us.
Jessica Campbell (40:09.038)
Mm-hmm.
Katie Darakhshan (40:21.644)
That's awesome.
Taylor Bretl (40:21.659)
That's awesome.
Taylor Bretl (40:25.681)
I'll go after that because I've actually never run a sub two hour half. And it is a lifelong goal of mine. I've been running since my first half marathon was in college. I've been working at this goal for like 15 years. And I just cannot freaking get it. and it's but I will say this last one, I was like a minute off and that was so disappointing. That was cold as yeah, I'm never running the Dallas half again. I'm gonna listen to you, Jess, and I'm gonna do the Houston half.
Katie Darakhshan (40:44.022)
Wow.
Jessica Campbell (40:44.79)
In hard conditions. And a hard course. You have to pick an easier course. Yeah. Yes. Good. Yeah.
Taylor Bretl (40:55.109)
One of these days, because I'm not doing Dallas ever again. but it's terrible. And it was so cold this past year. And I can blame a million and ten things as to why I didn't get it. But truthfully, I wasn't quite there. I was thank you. but I think I've been slowly chipping away at that goal. I'm a slow runner, y'all. So I hope to be you one day, Charlie, and be like, now that's just what I do every time. but I will s hey.
Chris Detzel (40:58.819)
Dallas is stuff.
Chris Detzel (41:03.115)
Yeah.
Chris Detzel (41:06.677)
One minute. That's awesome though.
Katie Darakhshan (41:08.94)
Yeah.
Charli Pels (41:18.726)
it's not that but yeah. It was just such it's but to that I mean it's such a mindset, you're like, I've gotta break two hours and I kept running two hours and one minute, two hours and fifty seconds. It was crazy. So I feel that pain. You're gonna get it.
Katie Darakhshan (41:26.466)
Mm-hmm.
Taylor Bretl (41:32.424)
Tough. Yeah. Thank you. I hope so. And I will say though, like I am really proud of like the community I've built from it. And like I have my group of like runner friends and my people that run my pace that can train with me. Two of them have hit the goal since we've all made this goal. which again I've been hanging on to for years since before they started running, right? And then brought them along for it and they got it. And it's makes me so proud to what we said very back at the beginning of this conversation. Like
I'm so proud of them. And it's been so fun watching them and having them there as a support system that to me I ended this past one being like, I'm not even that mad. Like, and Eric ran it with me. I asked him guys, I said, What was that effort for you? He said, Do you want me to answer that? And then he said, point five. So I will forever think about that. But it was so fun running it with him.
Jessica Campbell (42:18.935)
Yeah.
Taylor Bretl (42:28.397)
It was so fun training with friends that I was like I'm not really as mad as I thought I was gonna be that I'd miss the goal. And I think I'm really proud of the mental evolution I've made in in training since then.
Chris Detzel (42:39.14)
Big.
Jessica Campbell (42:41.998)
Yeah, I mean I think the first half marathon I ever ran was really fun because I was not a runner before. I so the first mar half marathon I ran, I also have not run a full, so in good company. the first half I ran was in 2015 and I was in residency working long hours and I decided to run it because Matt had run and then his family, so his sister and brother-in-law had done half Ironman, and I think his brother at that point too.
So I was like, my gosh, I can't be like the only person in this family who hasn't done like an endurance event. So I'll do it fine. but it was really fun because every long run was the longest I had run in my entire life, starting at like five miles. Like I had not run, I don't think more than five miles ever. And so every, you know, six, seven, eight, all the way up, I was like, that's the longest I've ever run in my entire life. Like that was really fun. and then I finished that and I was like, you know what, I never really need to do that again.
Katie Darakhshan (43:41.024)
Ha ha ha.
Jessica Campbell (43:41.863)
And then fast forward, you know, after having both my kids and then Matt getting into running, and then I got a Peloton bike and started getting more in shape just with that. and then it became, I think I might be able to break two hours. and so I signed up and, you know, was subsequently able to do that and and have subsequently like chipped away at my time, but also exactly like you're saying, I think chipped away at the mental aspect where that very first race.
Katie Darakhshan (43:57.067)
Mm-hmm.
Jessica Campbell (44:11.5)
I was so mad because I ran really well for twelve miles. And then at mile twelve, like the last mile, I just walked. And I just it was so hard because I just hit the wall and I just walked it in. And that always left a bad taste in my mouth. So I think more than breaking the two hour mark, I just wanted to run the whole time. and I've subsequently like been able to do that, like even on hard days. and so that that's been really fun to like
Taylor Bretl (44:20.171)
Chris Detzel (44:20.866)
yeah.
Katie Darakhshan (44:22.234)
Not anything.
Katie Darakhshan (44:33.378)
Mm-hmm.
Jessica Campbell (44:41.408)
As you get faster, you also get like better mentally.
Katie Darakhshan (44:45.9)
So true. Yeah. I I would just echo whatever. I mean, it's funny. We all had the same goal. And Taylor, I'm with you. I feel like we need to run together because I do train pretty slow, but it is amazing. Like my coach has had me start doing speed workouts once a week. And I would at the beginning, I was like, what is the point? There is a point though. I will say that because I did feel myself slowly getting faster.
Chris Detzel (44:46.623)
Okay.
Taylor Bretl (44:55.26)
Do it.
Jessica Campbell (45:03.341)
Mm-hmm.
Taylor Bretl (45:04.359)
Mm-hmm.
Chris Detzel (45:10.745)
Yeah.
Katie Darakhshan (45:14.122)
So I think St. George was the first time I broke two hours. And then I had my best PR, which is like less than a minute faster than that, earlier this year in Austin. And so to your point, Taylor, a fast course does make a huge difference too, because Saint George was like so downhill. I was like, this feels like cheating, but I like it. But
Chris Detzel (45:30.5)
Hundred percent.
Taylor Bretl (45:33.991)
Sounds great.
Taylor Bretl (45:37.841)
That's awesome.
Katie Darakhshan (45:38.795)
Yeah, I would say like, you know, just being able to accomplish something and feeling like really good about like, man, I like felt good the whole time. Like in St. George, I was able to take pictures. I was like filming stuff, like just truly enjoying the journey, which I'd heard people say, but it wasn't until that race that I was like, okay, I I get it now. Yeah, I'm enjoying this.
Chris Detzel (46:03.983)
One of the things that you've all mentioned or most of you is about the mental aspect of running and and I do think running is hugely mental. I mean there's a huge mental piece to it because a lot of times we have it in our head that we want to break this time, like Taylor was saying, whatever it is, you know, in this case it's two hours. But when you put it in your head that you're a two-hour person or a two one or two three, you have to a lot of times you you might have the ability to go under two hours.
But you have to mentally have that ability to say, you know what, I can run a little faster today. And if I run just a, you know, twenty seconds faster or whatever a mile or whatever that is, you know, you can do it. But a lot of times we run at a speed that is a certain thing, but we don't go past that. And so yes, train has everything to do with it. I'm not saying that, but but other than that, you know, I've seen a lot of people that I knew that could run under a one thirty, but
they're at the moment a 140 because they're training at a 140 and they're not doing, you know, they're they're not thinking they can do that. was like, well, I'm not saying today you're gonna go run 130. I was like, but you can run faster than a 140 today. You've done it two or three times. You could do a 135 if you wanted, but you have to mentally be prepared for that. And so I think that to me, that's in and just watching lots of runners over the years and and and you just know.
Taylor Bretl (47:25.543)
Mm-hmm.
Chris Detzel (47:32.431)
Like Taylor, you're gonna hit it. You just have to mentally push it, you know, like say, you know what, I can do it. You as long as you're training and doing those things, it's gonna happen. You're right there. You're right there. There's there's no doubt, you know. And so, you know.
Taylor Bretl (47:44.368)
I'd like to think so. I think you're right though. I think there's such a big mental block of when you're like, I can only do this. You do just have to let yourself think that you can do faster. And that is a good not that it's everything, but it is a big piece of it. I totally agree. Thanks y'all for the encouragement. I'm gonna get it one day. I'm gonna one day.
Chris Detzel (47:59.268)
Yeah, yeah, I mean
Katie Darakhshan (48:01.525)
You're gonna do it.
Jessica Campbell (48:03.81)
When you're ready.
Charli Pels (48:04.036)
Well it's funny. Yeah. It's funny you said that too, Chris. We were out to dinner with Dustin and Katie a month ago and Dustin was hyping me up saying, I'm gonna coach you and you're gonna run a 145 no matter what. I mean and I'm like, Dustin, no, that's not possible. He's like, I've seen your races, you can do it. Like it's just it's someone telling you that you can do it and helping you prepare. I think that is the biggest thing.
Katie Darakhshan (48:26.336)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Jessica Campbell (48:26.402)
Yeah. You can do it. I I I just broke it this this year. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Charli Pels (48:31.3)
That's awesome. My one forty five. So he seems like convinced I'm gonna do one forty five.
Katie Darakhshan (48:32.575)
Okay.
Chris Detzel (48:35.181)
Grats.
Jessica Campbell (48:37.812)
Yeah. yeah, for sure. If you can do one forty eight, you can do one forty five for sure. Yeah, absolutely.
Katie Darakhshan (48:38.636)
Yeah.
Taylor Bretl (48:38.756)
You got it. You so got it.
Charli Pels (48:41.784)
That's what that was also I was in really good shape like a year and a half ago. So I gotta get back.
Jessica Campbell (48:45.228)
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And Matt I I made Matt pace me for mine too. It was the McKinney half and thank goodness he was there. McKinney half, super fun course. I would do it again just for fun, not for a PR. There's like three huge hills.
Katie Darakhshan (48:49.675)
Nice.
Taylor Bretl (48:53.258)
nice.
Chris Detzel (48:58.007)
Tough.
Charli Pels (49:03.438)
Yes. That was the one it was last year was the first time, right? One of our friends did what's we saw it already? Yes. Okay.
Taylor Bretl (49:03.63)
Jessica Campbell (49:06.796)
Yeah, it was. It was a gr it was a great event. It was awesome. I would definitely do it again. Yeah, yeah. And the but there's a huge hill at like mile eleven that it was just if Matt wouldn't have been there, yeah.
Chris Detzel (49:07.236)
Yeah.
Taylor Bretl (49:16.911)
It's so mean.
Katie Darakhshan (49:17.058)
Oof. Yeah.
Taylor Bretl (49:20.081)
So mean.
Charli Pels (49:20.42)
That's how I feel about Cowtown. I'm like never again. I don't need to do Cowtown ever again. No thank you.
Taylor Bretl (49:25.189)
I hear that about cowtown.
Jessica Campbell (49:25.406)
yeah, I've seen that I've seen the elevation gain of Cowtown that's made me not want to do that.
Taylor Bretl (49:31.367)
Yeah, that's like that new course for BMW in Dallas. It's that like mile twelve hill, and you're just like, I'm so mad right now.
Jessica Campbell (49:40.546)
I think the Dallas course is just mentally like when you get to mile ten and you're like, but I'm downtown. How are there three miles left? And you just like go all the way around downtown, like like there's one point where you could just take a left and be at the finish line, but like they make you go
Katie Darakhshan (49:48.501)
good.
Taylor Bretl (49:52.017)
Like the ugliest part of if only.
Charli Pels (49:55.919)
We we actually talked about this on our Sunday run. All of the all the ladies that we were running about w around White Rock and we're like, you feel like you're at the end, but then you still have so many more miles. It's ridiculous.
Chris Detzel (49:56.665)
Taylor's still mad.
Jessica Campbell (49:59.661)
Yeah.
Jessica Campbell (50:07.01)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Katie Darakhshan (50:08.182)
Yeah.
Charli Pels (50:11.588)
I will say Katie and I have done the marathon relay for Dallas twice and it's really fun to do too. So that's always an option. We should that would be fun. Yeah.
Katie Darakhshan (50:15.798)
Yeah. It's so fun. Yeah, we l
Jessica Campbell (50:15.805)
that's fun.
Taylor Bretl (50:16.575)
yeah.
Taylor Bretl (50:21.223)
We'll do a wives team, y'all, and we'll just go do it. That would be fun.
Jessica Campbell (50:23.214)
That'll be fun.
Katie Darakhshan (50:23.233)
let's do it. That would be so fun.
Chris Detzel (50:27.703)
Maybe I can do interviews right before, you know, you guys start. Just boom boom.
Katie Darakhshan (50:29.89)
We can make that viral thing of like us before the race and then us like after when we're like Yeah.
Charli Pels (50:30.253)
Yeah.
Taylor Bretl (50:32.007)
There you go, live in action.
Chris Detzel (50:36.623)
Exactly.
Taylor Bretl (50:38.183)
Wake us up on the run and just catch our huffin' and puffin'.
Chris Detzel (50:43.545)
fun would that be? So one last somewhat serious question. what would you tell a couple where both people want to train seriously but just have young kids? How do you manage that and deal with
Katie Darakhshan (50:58.828)
Time management, communication. I mean, I think the ladies touched on this earlier about communication. It has to be just clear from the beginning. Because otherwise you you feel like you both want it. So how do you work that out? You know? I mean, I think if you clearly dictate who gets what time in advance, I think that's the most fair way. Cause there's definitely ways to make it work, you know, just.
Every family's a little bit different on what's gonna work the best based on your schedules and, you know, what the family has going on, what the kids have going on.
Taylor Bretl (51:36.154)
One hundred percent. I would say to add on to that too with the communication is to like prep yourselves for the need to adjust from that schedule. Like make that schedule, do your best to stick to it, but acknowledge that life happens and there's gonna be a day where Dustin's gonna wanna sleep in, even though he was supposed to get up and run, right? And there's gonna be the worst. But there's gonna be those days. There's gonna be a day where you're a little bit injured and you're not gonna run as far or
Chris Detzel (51:53.593)
Got jerk.
Taylor Bretl (52:02.363)
Yeah, the kids are homesick and now the whole schedule is thrown and like there are gonna be wrenches in it. And so make a plan, communicate the plan, but don't be so married to the plan that you can't deviate from it when you need to. Because having that like mental flexibility I think is also helpful.
Jessica Campbell (52:23.768)
Yeah, and I think just keeping things in perspective, like at the end of the day, running is a hobby. And like, yes, it is a wonderful hobby and it's a healthy hobby, but it is not your identity, hopefully, like your whole identity, right? and so, you know, doing the best in whatever season of life you're in, right? Like, you know, even without little kids, like there's so many things that can go on in your life that might dictate, you know.
Katie Darakhshan (52:29.394)
Yeah.
Jessica Campbell (52:51.138)
what you're able to do with your training and that's okay. and then yeah, like maybe you know, your goal is not a PR. Like maybe your goal is just to be running just for fun with your friends as a stress relief and you're not worried about a time. and and just being flexible with that. I think one one
risk, if you will, of the running community is you know, seeing all these times and seeing all these people do all these races and the major and the this and the that and, you know, this marathon and that marathon and all the things. And so you can sometimes get a little bit caught up in that and and think that you have to do all the things too, but you you you don't. And I think having a spouse that's aware of that, you can kind of help balance each other out and kind of remind each other that
you know, running isn't the nest isn't the number one. It shouldn't be the number.
Katie Darakhshan (53:47.948)
Well said.
Chris Detzel (53:50.286)
Yeah, I'll just say a little bit of because I I think that's important, Jessica. And and the r I think a lot of us we're we run with a lot of different people, right? We're around it. I mean, you two you four are always around it. You either run or your husbands are running and they're really, really fast. I mean, and all of you are very accomplished in your running as well. And so, you know, when you're around it all day, every day, it's hard not to identify as, you know, a hundred percent as a runner, you know, but
Our d identity can't be in our jobs. It can't be in our running. I mean, it's it's all a part of us. You know, our job is somewhat who we are, being a wife or husband or mother or father or, you know, runner or whatever, you know, we're all of those things and we we our whole identity is is around all of that, you know, and you can't it's it's easy to say I wanna identify as a runner and that's all I am or whatever. You know, but what happens when you're injured? You can't run anymore, you know, so what are you gonna do now?
Katie Darakhshan (54:44.786)
Mm-hmm.
Chris Detzel (54:50.371)
You know, like you're gonna be depressed for a long time, maybe, but you know, you just have to get over and do something else. You know, like I mean I'm not saying that's easy. I'm not telling you because we we push for those times, we do those things. And the last thing on that piece and I and I I kinda have to look at it as well, is like we are doing things that most people aren't doing. We just we're just around it all the time. And so we're pressured because of
Katie Darakhshan (54:53.9)
Mm-hmm.
Katie Darakhshan (55:14.337)
Mm-hmm.
Chris Detzel (55:16.191)
Things that we hear, the things that we see, the the accomplishments that people are making, which is awesome. But ninety-eight, seven, whatever percent of the people aren't doing nothing like that, you know. And so, you know, let's let's put it in perspective. We're around the three or four percent, you know? So
Katie Darakhshan (55:32.354)
So
Charli Pels (55:33.785)
No, I appreciate that too. I can't even tell you how many times I'm like, yeah, Jeff and I both run, but he's really fast. And people would be like, well, you're fast too. I mean, I it I just don't necessarily feel it about myself just because I'm around his community. But I think we all have to give ourselves kudos. Taylor, you I mean, that is still an incredible time. I mean, most people can't even run a half. So putting it into perspective is huge.
Chris Detzel (55:42.905)
So yeah.
Katie Darakhshan (55:43.808)
Yeah.
Katie Darakhshan (55:50.306)
Mm-hmm.
Taylor Bretl (55:51.184)
Mm-hmm.
Katie Darakhshan (55:59.383)
Yeah.
Taylor Bretl (55:59.688)
So
Chris Detzel (55:59.984)
Exactly.
Jessica Campbell (56:03.384)
Yeah. I think I even resisted that term for a while, runner. Like you're a runner. I'm like, no. Like I know runners. I run three or three days a week. I'm not a runner, but I am a runner. Finally, after like I think the second second half second or third half marathon, Matt was like, Yes, you are a runner. Stop saying that you're not a runner. Like, but I'm not you. I'm not even your crazy friends. I'm I'm not. Yeah.
Taylor Bretl (56:03.505)
So true.
Chris Detzel (56:03.971)
Yeah. Yeah.
Katie Darakhshan (56:15.617)
Yeah.
Taylor Bretl (56:16.23)
Yeah.
Taylor Bretl (56:23.919)
Yeah.
Charli Pels (56:29.264)
Exactly.
Katie Darakhshan (56:31.17)
So true.
Chris Detzel (56:33.143)
Okay, let's just put it in perspective. Your husbands are intense and insane from a running standpoint. You know, like literally they are running at times a hundred ninety miles, I don't know, a week and and it's a lot I mean, you know, even us runners, ninety plus percent of us don't run that much. And the last thing I'll say about this is none of us are doing it for jobs, not even your husband. So, you know, they ha they maybe coach or things like that, but
Katie Darakhshan (56:52.578)
Katie Darakhshan (56:58.594)
Well
Chris Detzel (57:03.063)
None of us are, you know, going to be, you know, you know, in the Olympics or Olympic trials. Not so we have a few you know, women here and potentially men in the future, but right now we don't have any. So, you know, that's just part of it. So rapid fire before we kind of wrap this up. So whoever wants to answer, you know, but this is between you and your husband, like most likely to overtrain.
Chris Detzel (57:33.551)
It's an easy one, but who would be the most likely? Yeah.
Charli Pels (57:35.022)
I mean yeah.
Taylor Bretl (57:35.205)
Between like me and my husband, Eric, easily.
Katie Darakhshan (57:38.998)
See, yeah.
Chris Detzel (57:40.471)
Okay. Okay.
Taylor Bretl (57:41.553)
Does it every time.
Chris Detzel (57:44.439)
Most likely to say, I'm fine while clearly injured.
Katie Darakhshan (57:50.102)
still him. Yeah. We're just gonna keep pushing through.
Taylor Bretl (57:51.182)
Eric, yeah.
Jessica Campbell (57:51.407)
Yeah. Yeah.
Chris Detzel (57:55.352)
Okay, well maybe I shouldn't even ask these. So most likely to sign up for another race without discussing it first.
Charli Pels (58:01.665)
my goodness. Anytime Dustin texts Jeff and then somehow we have our full calendar set for the rest of the year, I'm like, Dustin, stop. Like what's
Jessica Campbell (58:05.484)
Yeah.
Katie Darakhshan (58:10.454)
Well I will let you blame him for that because I I can do better, Charlie. Our 10-year anniversary trip was supposed to be in Italy and it was. But he's like, hey, can we do a pit stop in Berlin? Because there's this race for the majors challenge. And I'm like, pit pit stop in Berlin? Okay. So our 10-year anniversary trip started in Berlin. Mm-hmm. You know it. We all know it.
Taylor Bretl (58:31.995)
That feels so right.
Charli Pels (58:33.816)
Yeah. Well I mean our two year anniversary we tacked on Napa after CIM because he had to run CIM. So it kinda yeah, that's funny. I hadn't even thought through that.
Chris Detzel (58:35.662)
Love it.
Katie Darakhshan (58:42.122)
Whist
Chris Detzel (58:47.35)
man. worst loser.
Charli Pels (58:52.836)
That's probably me. I'm
Taylor Bretl (58:54.303)
Me too.
Charli Pels (58:58.148)
I'm so competitive.
Chris Detzel (58:58.871)
Any examples?
Charli Pels (59:01.976)
I just I will say like we did Katie and I's sons both play soccer and they at the end of the season they do a mother son competition between and I was the only mom that didn't let their son score on them and it was horrendous. And I learned my lesson, but and then I we had to redo it because he had to score on me, because it was really bad. But I'm just so competitive, it's really hard and I want him to try hard. So
Katie Darakhshan (59:02.357)
Yes, Ryan.
Katie Darakhshan (59:13.474)
yeah.
Katie Darakhshan (59:30.946)
I just want to win.
Charli Pels (59:32.386)
I just wanna win. Never again.
Taylor Bretl (59:34.215)
Mm-hmm.
Chris Detzel (59:35.993)
So I think I know the answer to this question, but most likely to turn a family vacation into a race weekend, which I think we kind of heard some of this.
Taylor Bretl (59:43.301)
I feel like they've all done it, yeah.
Katie Darakhshan (59:43.532)
We all know it. Mm-hmm. It's a thing.
Jessica Campbell (59:44.14)
Yeah.
Chris Detzel (59:45.513)
I've done plenty of those.
Jessica Campbell (59:48.888)
Mm-hmm.
Taylor Bretl (59:49.628)
We had a travel planner help arrange our trip in Germany so that he could run a half marathon in Munich at the time. Which he didn't end up running either, so we planned part of the trip only for that to not happen. yeah.
Katie Darakhshan (59:56.738)
Stop
Katie Darakhshan (01:00:03.914)
Just think it's funny when they don't say what they're doing. Like we, I had one a trip to Park City, and I could choose when we went, like within a three-month period. And Dustin was like, you know what? June would be incredible. And I'm like, I was thinking August when Dallas is like miserable. You know, we want to go to the fountains. And he's like, there's something about June. I just love it. And I'm like, all right, what?
Why do you want June so bad? And he's like, Well, there is this race in Park City. I'm like, my gosh. Of course there is. Yeah.
Chris Detzel (01:00:37.006)
Ooh, Park Cities.
Taylor Bretl (01:00:40.325)
Obviously.
Chris Detzel (01:00:42.979)
Who owns the most shoes?
Let's just say running shoes.
Jessica Campbell (01:00:48.652)
Matt. Yeah. Yeah.
Taylor Bretl (01:00:49.029)
Easily Eric.
Katie Darakhshan (01:00:50.827)
Dustin.
Chris Detzel (01:00:53.507)
You know, my wife's a big runner. She's she's done like Boston Marathon thirteen times in a row and all these other things and but I think I might have more than her. So yeah. Yeah, that's right. Yeah.
Katie Darakhshan (01:00:59.946)
my god.
Taylor Bretl (01:01:00.124)
For her.
Katie Darakhshan (01:01:03.361)
Yeah.
Jessica Campbell (01:01:03.374)
Yeah. Well it's the rotation, right? Yeah, it's the rotation. Yeah.
Charli Pels (01:01:04.005)
We
Taylor Bretl (01:01:09.755)
Do your husbands have God.
Charli Pels (01:01:09.796)
I will say it out because Jeff will buy a pair of shoes and he's like, but they're on sale. I'm gonna get you one too. I'm like, Okay, great. I'll take
Taylor Bretl (01:01:18.509)
Nice. Do your husbands have a spreadsheet for their shoes? Because Eric's got a spreadsheet with all the mileage by shoe. yeah. They're all categorized in the spreadsheet. Certified nerd, y'all. He's got the number of miles tracked down to the decimal. yeah. I'll sho. Yeah.
Chris Detzel (01:01:19.631)
Well, that's nice.
Chris Detzel (01:01:24.182)
wow.
Katie Darakhshan (01:01:25.333)
What?
Chris Detzel (01:01:32.697)
Too much work.
Katie Darakhshan (01:01:35.244)
Actually love this.
Jessica Campbell (01:01:37.966)
It's funny.
Charli Pels (01:01:38.19)
He does it after every run? Wow.
Katie Darakhshan (01:01:38.263)
Wow.
Katie Darakhshan (01:01:41.74)
Wow, I'm sure there's an app for that now, you know? It's like, gosh, he's running. I don't know. It's the spreadsheet.
Chris Detzel (01:01:44.649)
I th I thought did some of that. You could
Jessica Campbell (01:01:46.284)
I think yeah, I think they're right.
Taylor Bretl (01:01:47.341)
They do, they do, but gosh, is it any match for Excel? Probably not.
Chris Detzel (01:01:53.903)
You could do a lot of stuff in Excel, so who eats the most after a long run?
Taylor Bretl (01:02:01.233)
Eric.
Jessica Campbell (01:02:01.401)
That might actually be well, I don't know if I eat the most. I think I get way hungrier after long runs than he does. Like I'm just like ravenous the rest of the day.
Charli Pels (01:02:13.208)
It takes Jeff a long time to get hungry. Like I wanna s he won't eat for several hours. I mean he'll try to get some protein in, but like he's not hungry hungry until later. Versus me, I'm the same. I'm hungry immediately.
Katie Darakhshan (01:02:15.841)
Yeah.
Katie Darakhshan (01:02:23.52)
I won't.
Mm-hmm.
Taylor Bretl (01:02:26.607)
Mm.
Chris Detzel (01:02:29.123)
So how do so I don't I'm not gonna ask that question. who is the real MVP of completely sloth? Is it the runners or the spouses who makes this insanity possible?
Jessica Campbell (01:02:40.28)
Spouses, obviously. I mean, come on. Yeah. Right?
Taylor Bretl (01:02:41.774)
Easily
Katie Darakhshan (01:02:42.956)
This is even a question.
Taylor Bretl (01:02:44.795)
We've talked about making shirts. We will one day. They just make faster.
Charli Pels (01:02:48.292)
We've got a lot of these. We'll get for you too. I mean, I think we should all have them.
Taylor Bretl (01:02:53.073)
I think so too.
Jessica Campbell (01:02:53.112)
Yeah. Yeah.
Katie Darakhshan (01:02:53.318)
yeah. Very fuzzy.
Chris Detzel (01:02:53.463)
I love it. I mean, just use what they have, whoever they're using, just you know, just get something that said whatever y'all want to say. Slots spouses. What did I miss out of all the conversation we had? You know, mostly fun and you know, I I truly enjoyed it, but there's probably something that either I missed or that, hey, you know, is there maybe some wisdoms that you can throw out there or or whatever? I mean, any thoughts before we kinda
Katie Darakhshan (01:02:59.287)
Yeah.
Taylor Bretl (01:02:59.451)
Just sloth spouses.
Katie Darakhshan (01:03:02.359)
Ha ha.
Katie Darakhshan (01:03:25.558)
I can't think of anything. This was so much fun.
Jessica Campbell (01:03:25.934)
Do you yeah. Do you feel like we missed anything? Is there any story that you were hoping for that we didn't share?
Chris Detzel (01:03:34.02)
I I mean, you know, th my goal was to throw out some questions and and let you talk about some of these things. And I I think that was successful and we've got, you know, lots of really good, you know, stories around community, but also, you know, the things that you you go through and and the things that you care about and the you know a little bit about your slight running journeys that I we didn't go deep but
So I mean I accomplished everything that I wanted to, but but y you know, look, what you all four of you've done is and accomplished is amazing. You've got kids that you have to to look after. You have husbands that, you know, run a lot, you know, and you have your own kind of running journeys and you know, and and you have a whole house and and I think you all have jobs and things like that. So, you know, it's not like, you know, you're not doing anything. So
Katie Darakhshan (01:04:27.158)
You can do something.
Chris Detzel (01:04:32.473)
But and and I'm pretty amazed. And and I I appreciate you just coming and share your story. Really, really awesome. And and I think other spouses could be, you know, husbands too, but a lot of times it's the wives that have to, you know, pick up kind of the things and and what you're I think others want to know how do I get into running or how do I do that when my husband's blah, blah, blah, or vice versa. You know, it can happen. It's hard is what I heard.
But you know, I think your health is the most important thing. And and I think that, you know, when you get out I think Charlie or no, Ta I don't know, one of you said, you know, I don't feel bad at all. So, you know, about doing it.
Katie Darakhshan (01:05:02.678)
Yeah.
Taylor Bretl (01:05:15.015)
Good old Jess. I'm channeling you. I'm channeling you, girl.
Katie Darakhshan (01:05:15.522)
That's good. I love it.
Chris Detzel (01:05:18.605)
Yeah, Jessica, that's right. And you shouldn't feel bad about caring about yourself. You you have to get out there mentally, you know, and so if you don't, then you're just gonna go stir crazy, I think. So well ladies, this has been amazing. I really appreciate the time and and and the stories and thank you everyone for tuning in to another DFW running talk. I'm Chris Dutzel. We're on YouTube, Apple, Spotify.
Katie Darakhshan (01:05:26.913)
Mm-hmm.
Chris Detzel (01:05:47.503)
We even have a newsletter, check it out. But everyone, thank you again for coming and and and thanks for tuning in.
Katie Darakhshan (01:05:55.053)
Thank you.
Charli Pels (01:05:56.122)
Thank you.
Taylor Bretl (01:05:56.401)
Thanks, Chris.
